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Drive Expansion and Drive Upgrade FAQ

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by bkdtv, Oct 19, 2007.

  1. Aug 3, 2008 #1621 of 10248
    richsadams

    richsadams Active Member

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    We'll stay tuned. Let us know if you run into any issues w/v9.4 will you? According to TiVoJerry, it's the FAP 750's that are problematic, but no mention of the 500GB or 1TB models. TIA!
     
  2. Aug 3, 2008 #1622 of 10248
    BanditWS6

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    As to the drive noise, it's so minimal as to be practically nonexistent, but even so, I don't recall hearing it since. It could be that the TiVo was doing a network connection and loading info at the time. I haven't been cognizant of any drive noise at any time since.

    Got the 9.4 software update the day after I got the new drive installed, it loaded up very quickly (about 30 minutes or less) and there was no slowdown in UI response afterwards, as there often is after a service update.

    Very pleased with the WD10EACS. :)
     
  3. Aug 3, 2008 #1623 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Maybe that sound you heard were the hamsters singing for joy that they were powering a hard drive in a TiVo instead of some monster server somewhere! ;)

    Now that you mention it, the UI was as quick or quicker after v9.4 installed as well...not a bit of slowdown. Nice TiVo! :up:

    Glad the drive is doing well. Now put your seat back in the reclining position, drop your tray table in your lap, order the beverage of your choice, relax and enjoy! :)
     
  4. Aug 3, 2008 #1624 of 10248
    profxyz

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    :)

    Well, this is the first time I`ve actually posted on this forum,
    but I`ve been a regular reader.

    Listen to this.

    I`ve had a series 3 for about 10 months now, I`ve had a
    Samsung 1tb ext hd. hooked up for about 3 mo., with no
    problems. Yet. I recently received the 9.4 upgrade with no
    problems. Then I recieved it again, and again. So far,
    the software has d/l and sucessfully installed 3 times into
    my series 3.

    All the same rev number.

    I called Tivo cust serv today and was met with a position
    from the tech that altho the download problem may not be
    caused by my ext hd, since it was not a " supported "
    model, he couldn`t continue to help me.

    The software shows no problems via the tivo functionality.
    The network connection log shows succeded for the download.

    Tivo just keeps sending me the same download.

    And tivo tech support either does or doesn`t think my perfectly
    good samsung may or may not be a problem.

    So, I am disconnecting the samsung and waiting for tivo to send me
    their summer upgrade again.

    Altho, the software runs fine and I like the changes.

    When tivo gets it`s act together, in a few weeks I`ll hook up
    my samsung again.

    Prof.
    :)
     
  5. Aug 3, 2008 #1625 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Welcome to the forum (well, sort of)...although under not-so-great circumstances. You have an interesting situation. Lousy that the TiVo rep decided not to help you, although I guess I don't blame them in some cases. But the repeated downloading of an upgrade has been around for years and those cases had nothing to do with an expansion drive. It sounds like you went through the proper divorce procedures if TiVo is functioning normally. Guess you lost most of your recordings. :(

    If the software continues to download, it hasn't been successful in TiVo's eyes. The d/l program has a required method whereby it confirms that everything is in place and operating properly called checksum validation. If that doesn't happen TiVo will try it again until it's successful.

    So does the "Last Status" line on the system info screen (or the network screen) say "Pending Restart"? If it does say "Pending Restart" you can cause it to install immediately with a reboot (instead of waiting until 2 a.m. when it would normally happen). Once it's done it's thing, check to see if it still says "Pending Restart". If it does, there's a problem...likely with your internal hard drive and one or both of the root partitions where the O/S software resides. Another call to TiVo would be in order.

    If not and the screens show the normal "Succeeded" on the "Last Status" line the d/l should be successful/final IMO and it should be safe to connect your eSATA drive once more.

    Thanks for the post. I know a lot of us would be interested in how this turns out.
     
  6. Aug 3, 2008 #1626 of 10248
    naclone

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    one other data point on the FAP 750.

    i restarted my S3 early last week for something unrelated and when it came back on a weird green screen announced that my external drive had not been recognized and to press enter if i wanted to stop using it.

    my heart sank and i quickly unplugged the unit hoping that the connection to the drive hadn't been irreparably separated.

    i waited a few moments and plugged the unit back in and got the same green screen. my heart sank further. but like an insane person expecting a different result, unplugged the unit again. this time i unplugged the FAP as well disconnected everything and reconnected.

    this time when i powered on the S3 everything worked normally and I wrote it off as a freak anomaly as I had never had an issue with the FAP since installing it nearly a year ago.

    then two days later on the 31st I got the FAP 750 warning message the other folks have described.

    I'm still running 9.3 btw.

    Can anybody recommend any ideas for salvaging any of my recorded content should i decide to pre-emptively swap out the FAP?

    I suppose I could get a new drive for the S3, connect that to my PC, transfer all my recordings to the PC on that drive, then disconnect the FAP, connect it to the PC and move everything from the new drive to the FAP, install the new drive on the S3 and then transfer everything back. would there be an easier way?
     
  7. Aug 3, 2008 #1627 of 10248
    greg_burns

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    Slower...
    Couldn't you buy the same size drive and do a bit copy to it (using linux dd copy command like here). Put the new drive in the FAP's enclosure (or a new Antec MX-1). Has anyone ever tried that? Would it work?
     
  8. Aug 3, 2008 #1628 of 10248
    jlib

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    Carmel...
    Which also begs the question: Is the problem with the drive itself or with the enclosure circuitry? Most likely the later, in which case just moving the current drive to a different enclosure would work. Just speculating at this point, though...
     
  9. Aug 3, 2008 #1629 of 10248
    bugzod

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  10. Aug 4, 2008 #1630 of 10248
    richsadams

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    No worries. What bkdtv was referring to was a question about the ability to disconnect an eSATA drive from TiVo, connect it to a PC and watch (or transfer) recordings that were ostensibly on the external drive...to which the answer is "no".

    After properly connecting an external hard drive to TiVo everything will remain just as it is now. Adding an expansion drive for all intents and purposes simply creates a single, larger drive. Any program that is transferrable now will continue to be transferable (unless of course the program's owner decides otherwise at some point). So feel free to add an eSATA drive and carry on as usual, plus enjoy the additional recording space. :up:
     
  11. Aug 4, 2008 #1631 of 10248
    DocNo

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    I got it too :p

    I'll be consolidating my FAP and internal drive onto a new 1 GB internal hard drive. I may also add another 1 GB external too - still on the fence about that.

    EDIT: I may also fabricate a bracket like Thom did and put both drives inside - then again I had so many problems with my S1 and S2's overheating with dual drives I'll probably just stick with one internal and one external.
     
  12. Aug 5, 2008 #1632 of 10248
    jlb

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    okee dokee......I was thinking about an internal upgrade, but as we inch closer to the fall season, I may just do the Expander. Any "reasonable" rumors regarding a 1TB expander? Also, I have seen the prices around $130. Any particularly good prices/places people have recently ordered from?
     
  13. Aug 5, 2008 #1633 of 10248
    sbessel

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    Are there any options to copy the data off an existing external drive to a new external?

    I have seen links to the MFSTools site that shows how to upgrade internal and such, but I would like to find a way to upgrade just my external without touching my internal.

    I have a lot of content on my system now, and since 98.7% is protected I can't copy it off... (I could really see this as a needed Tivo Desktop option, backup content to PC)

    thanks...
     
  14. Aug 5, 2008 #1634 of 10248
    naclone

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    well i just got a random restart followed by green screen with the following message:

    The DVR has detected a serious problem and is now attempting to fix it. This will take about three hours. Please do not unplug or restert the DVR.

    No idea if this is related to the FAP 750, the 9.4 or both.
     
  15. Aug 5, 2008 #1635 of 10248
    alyssa

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    The...
    Why can't you use WinMSF & copy the drive, just like people have done with the internal drive?

    I really don't understand the specifics of what WinMSF does but if it formats a new drive & simply copies the information from one drive to the other then, why not? I know I'm missing something basic but I'm curious as to if it could be done this way.
     
  16. Aug 5, 2008 #1636 of 10248
    dwit

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    I don't believe there is an option for what the poster wants to do(copy only external drive) using the winmfs program, or any of the other mfs tools.
     
  17. Aug 6, 2008 #1637 of 10248
    MichaelTV

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    I tried to use WinMFS last night to upgrade my TiVo HD. I had two empty SATA ports on my PC board, so I hooked up both the current and new drives (I used the SATA cable for the DVD for one of them). I downloaded and installed the latest WinMFS. Ran WinMFS as an Administrator (I have Vista Home), and it wouldn't recognize either of my two drives.

    Obviously, I'm in need of some help to get things started. My gymnastics loving 9 year old daughter is applying as much pressure as possible to get it upgraded in time for the Olympics.

    Thx!
     
  18. Aug 6, 2008 #1638 of 10248
    greg_burns

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    Slower...
    When you say ran as an administrator, you literally right-clicked on the .exe and said "Run As Administrator"? Because that sounds just like what happens when you don't...

    Being logged in with an account with administrative rights isn't enough any more with Vista.
     
  19. Aug 6, 2008 #1639 of 10248
    MichaelTV

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    Yes, that is correct. RMB, clicked "Run as Administrator".

    FWIW, I also have full Admin rights.
     
  20. Aug 6, 2008 #1640 of 10248
    greg_burns

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    Slower...
    Some motherboards you have to enable the SATA port from the BIOS. (Some are autodetect, I've seen both lately). Doesn't explain why it didn't at least see your DVD one (have to assume it was already enabled.)
     

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