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Drive Expansion and Drive Upgrade FAQ

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by bkdtv, Oct 19, 2007.

  1. Aug 1, 2008 #1601 of 10248
    toddc

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    No, I have not gotten 9.4. I think it might be coincidental. but maybe 9.4 is more sensitive to odd brand drives?
    It did specifically say that Seagate Freeagent is known to cause problems (although I have not had any).

    I noticed earlier in the thread about Seagate external disks coming out designed for DVRs. Maybe TiVo has made a deal with Seagate and Seagate told them the Freeagent will not work on a DVR?

    It is most odd that they singled out the Seagate Freeagent.
     
  2. Aug 1, 2008 #1602 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Excellent reporting! :up: It's good to know that the WD10EACS-00D6B0 works fine in a TiVo HD. (Now where are all of the Series3 folks? :confused: ;) )

    No idea what the noise would be. Is it seeking at the time or just doing normal duty?
     
  3. Aug 1, 2008 #1603 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Wow! Big Brother is alive and well! :eek: That is indeed interesting that they singled out your eSATA drive(s). Did the message show up on both of your TiVo's or just one...and if just one, was it the one with the 750GB or the 1TB? Did you happen to keep the message and can you post a screen shot?

    Initially there were a number of reports of problems with FAP's but IIRC they mostly boiled down to the supplied eSATA cable issues (bad connectors), not so much the drives themselves (although a few failed...overheating I think). Did you use the stock eSATA cable or one of those recommended like the SIIG?

    In any case, it's surprising, kind of alarming in my book, that TiVo is sending out warnings for specific drives. Makes you wonder if they are just doing a little CYA or if it's an ominous sign...something darker this way comes? :confused:
     
  4. Aug 1, 2008 #1604 of 10248
    V7Goose

    V7Goose OTA ONLY and Loving It!

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    I can confirm there are real problems with the newer software and at least some of the Freeagent Pro drives. I have had a LOT of them (intermittent freezes, pixelation, macroblocking, and spontaneous reboots), and I have seen reports from several other users experiencing similar problems with the same drives. The problems are not continuous, and they seem to only happen on HD recordings. You never know when you will see them.

    I have had my Freeagent Pro for over a year with no problems until recently. I am looking for a replacement now. Good luck.
     
  5. Aug 1, 2008 #1605 of 10248
    richsadams

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    So your TiVo has upgraded to v9.4x correct? And this is the first time you've had problems?

    Not to question your conclusion (well, I guess it is) but what makes you think/assume the issues are due to the FAP? Can you link to the posts from the other FAP owners that are having problems due to the latest upgrade?

    Upgrades are notorious for causing a certain percentages of TiVo's to go crazy or die all together. Some are fixed with a hard reboot and others need more TLC, still others just die. (Replacing the hard drive seems to be the cure.)

    So far v9.4x seems to have caused at least a few people problems...people with stock TiVo's, no eSATA drives, etc. Just wondering if it might be something else (my guess) or if indeed it has something to do with the FAP.
     
  6. Aug 1, 2008 #1606 of 10248
    V7Goose

    V7Goose OTA ONLY and Loving It!

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    Sorry, I cannot provide any more detailed information about how I know it is the new software. But I do. I worked with TiVo on the problems and was one of several people who helped them focus in on the FAP as the cause. TiVo finally told me to quit reporting the video issues until I removed the FAP! My point is that this is more than just TiVo not supporting the FAP or even wishing we did not use it. They believe it is a specific cause of the problems. Hope that helps, but I can't share any more info on it.
     
  7. Aug 1, 2008 #1607 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Understood and thanks. So if you (or someone in your situation) were to have problems and were to remove their FAP, things should return to normal? TIA. :up:
     
  8. Aug 1, 2008 #1608 of 10248
    V7Goose

    V7Goose OTA ONLY and Loving It!

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    Yes, removing the FAP should clear it all up. I have not tried this yet, as I just have too many things recorded that I am not willing to loose yet (that is the downside of adding 750GB!). I am feverishly trying to work down through the stuff and get it transfered to DVD (the recordings that play well enough) so that I can pull the external drive and test the stock S3 before going to a different eSATA unit.
     
  9. Aug 1, 2008 #1609 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Great...thanks very much...very good info! :up:
     
  10. Aug 1, 2008 #1610 of 10248
    greg_burns

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    From the TivoHD freeze thread...

     
  11. Aug 1, 2008 #1611 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Ah, good stuff. I haven't visited that thread for a while. Thanks for that! :up:
     
  12. Aug 1, 2008 #1612 of 10248
    alyssa

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    Thanks guys
    I completed an internal upgrade from a stock 250 to a 750GB unit a half hour ago. Everything went smoothly thanks to the most excellent directions by bkdtv and WinMSF. My S3 was already on 9.4. The 750GB drive I decided on was a DB35.3 ST3750840SCE. It's a trifle louder than I thought it was gonna be but no biggie. I might be hearing the fan. I"m gonna let it run for a bit & see if my husband complains.

    eta; It took just under two hours to transfer the full 250GB to the 750drive. I had the drives directly connected to the SATA ports on my mobo.
     
  13. Aug 1, 2008 #1613 of 10248
    ThAbtO

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    Just curious to how many hrs you have now.
     
  14. Aug 2, 2008 #1614 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Well done! Congratulations and enjoy! :up:
     
  15. Aug 2, 2008 #1615 of 10248
    alyssa

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    Either 93 or 93 hours of HD
    eta-actually I ment to type "93 0r 98
    The only things I would add to the directions is a bit about needing a long T10 wrench & a T15. the advanced auto parts # is nice but we don't have one around here so I picked something at walmart and of course it was too short.:eek:
    But as roadblocks go that was a very small one.
     
  16. Aug 2, 2008 #1616 of 10248
    SAH2

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    I got the same message last night - I am still on 9.3. I have had the FAP 750 since the day the "unnoficial" esata connection was published. (it seems like at least a year). I have not had any problems.

    Does this mean that when I get 9.4 I can expect to have problems? If that is the case it seems like the upgrade causing the problem, rather than the drive.
     
  17. Aug 2, 2008 #1617 of 10248
    greg_burns

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    From TivoJerry's post I it sounds like (some?) FAPs have been problematic all along. I assume 9.4 itself would run just as well as 9.3, but they are using this upgrade to "make it known" there are issues with FAPs. (Presumably to cut down on possible future support calls.)

    That is all speculation on my part. There seems to be lots of people posting here saying their FAPs seemingly work just fine since day 1. :confused:
     
  18. Aug 2, 2008 #1618 of 10248
    SeattleFred

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    I've had an FAP 750 running for several months, trouble-free. I'm still on 9.3. I got the message on 7/31/08.
     
  19. Aug 2, 2008 #1619 of 10248
    sbessel

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    I have a S3 with the dreaded FAP eSATA drive, which has been running without issue for over 6 months...

    My questions are:

    1. If I pull the drive will I just loose recordings?
      This I can handle, season passes and all my setup data would be bad.
    2. Can I still put in 'my choice' of eSata drives (yes besides the FAP)
      I have a 1tb Samsung and Antec case queued up and ready to go.
      I thought we lost this option a while back, but I have been out of the loop.
    3. Is this swap a long involved process or is it in the menu like I had before?

    My wife's unit with a 1tb Hitachi and Antec case received the 9.4, but of
    course now she is missing some HD channels.

    Thanks!
     
  20. Aug 2, 2008 #1620 of 10248
    greg_burns

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    Yes, just recordings.

    Yes. The KickStart is no longer an option, but is not needed with the menu option.

    Should be Plug-N-Pray (ie use the menu) on an original S3 with the original 250GB internal drive. AFAIK. (If you have upgraded the internal drive, then you must marry the drive using WinMFS).
     

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