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Drive Expansion and Drive Upgrade FAQ

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by bkdtv, Oct 19, 2007.

  1. Jul 26, 2008 #1581 of 10248
    ccrider2

    ccrider2 New Member

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    Let us know if you have luck with your new drive as an internal. I've got an external encloser on order to use mine as an expander, but I'd rather do the internal upgrade if possible.

    I just bought a WD10EACS-00D6B0 from Fry's, but I didn't get that good a deal. ($170 verses $150) :(

    I assume you have an S3 TiVo.
    I've read that the WD10EACS-(something different) won't work internally in an S3, but will in an HD.....But I don't know about the WD10EACS-00D6B0.

    Good Luck,
    Chris
     
  2. Jul 27, 2008 #1582 of 10248
    c3

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    I'm not planning to use the -00D6B0 drive in the TiVo. My S3s have the original -32xxxx version. Since you already have that drive, it's easy to test if it works properly in the S3. Just create a backup and restore it to the new drive. If soft reboot works, then it's fine.
     
  3. Jul 27, 2008 #1583 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Thanks for the data point. Understood that you're not planning on dropping it into one of your TiVo's, but it will be interesting to find out if it does indeed work as an internal upgrade in Series3's and/or TiVo HD's. :up: Volunteers? :)
     
  4. Jul 27, 2008 #1584 of 10248
    c3

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    Works fine as an internal TiVo HD drive. Tested soft reboot.
     
  5. Jul 27, 2008 #1585 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Excellent! :up: Now...any Series3 pioneers willing to give the new WD WD10EACS-00D6B0 hard drive a try as an internal upgrade out there? (Install per the normal instructions on the first post of this sticky or WinMFS and try a menu restart to see if it works?) Hmmmm?
     
  6. Jul 27, 2008 #1586 of 10248
    dwit

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    To whomever may have knowledge of this:

    Would Western Digital rma a drive that even though it passes all of their diagnostics, it won't operate properly in Tivo?

    Just curious, as I've only had to rma one drive, a Seagate, and as I recall(iirc) their diagnostic generated a print out which had to be included with the drive. I imagine that was not really necessary though.

    Is Western's process similar? Or is not working in Tivo good enough for them to exchange?

    This is not for me, just trying to help someone out.

    ps: Not referring to the S3/10EACS-00ZJB0 combo.
     
  7. Jul 28, 2008 #1587 of 10248
    95Cobra

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    I have a question on adding an external e-sata (non supported hard drive) to a new Tivo series three. I read the through the original post so I hope I am not asking a question that has already been covered. If I add a non supported hard drive will I loose any functionality on recording any HD content or digitally protected content? Correct me if I am wrong but adding an external hard drive is pretty straight forward with a series 3 and won’t require any hacks but the knowledge of which hard drives have been tested per the previous posts and what the right enclosure is. Thanks in advance since I am going back and forth on whether this is the best approach versus a dedicated HTPC from Dell or HP with the addition of an ATI TV Wonder Digital Cable Tuner. I am building a dedicated PC anyways for my home theater setup so there will be an extra cost either way.
     
  8. Jul 28, 2008 #1588 of 10248
    orimk

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    Replying directly to the four points:
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    Reliability - most retail eSATA products are intended for PCs and not designed for 24/7 operation.
    Noise - most retail eSATA products are not tuned for low-noise applications. Many of these products produce noise output that significantly exceeds the TiVo.
    Cable compatibility - most retail eSATA products include a eSATA cable with a connector that is not sufficiently long to establish a stable and reliable connection with the TiVo.
    Official TiVo support - If you have problems with the "TiVo Verified" Western Digital DVR Expander, then TiVo provides technical support.
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    Reliability/Noise/Cable - thanks Tivo, but that's not your call to make. What I put in my living room, how noisy it is or if it fails every 5 seconds if my business.
    Your job is to make sure external drives fail gracefully. THE END. It's not to monitor decibels in my living room. Disk diag devices have been around for a while. Build something in that tests throughput and/or state of the external drive. What capacity you see, that capacity you use. Tivo engineers, that is your job.
    Don't make me open my Tivo and perform voodoo rituals to get another external drive to work. Chicken blood is hard to get off of electronics. You focus on writing software, I'll worry about what hardware I buy.
     
  9. Jul 28, 2008 #1589 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Welcome to the forum! To answer your questions:

    1. Adding an expansion drive will not change any of your TiVo's functionality. It will perform exactly the same as it does today; the only difference being the added recording space. As noted, TiVo does not support anything but the approved WD My DVR Expander (which IMHO is not an issue.)

    2. Adding an eSATA drive to a TiVo Series3 is straight forward. Unplug TiVo, connect the eSATA drive, turn the drive on, plug TiVo back in and follow the on-screen instructions.

    3. Any of the recommended drives listed on the first post of this sticky thread have been tried by more than a few users and are working fine. Avoid those that are not listed or specifically not recommended.

    4. Copy protected recordings (generally) cannot be transferred from TiVo to a PC.

    If you want to build your own drive and enclosure the most recommended setup at this time is:

    If you want to use another eSATA cable, the recommended SIIG Serial ATA external cable is less than $10.

    Prior to upgrading the internal drive on our Series 3 we had the MX-1/Seagate combination and it worked flawlessly for about 7 months. Adding an eSATA drive is indeed a very easy way to add more real estate to your TiVo.

    Best of luck and let us know how it goes! :up:
     
  10. Jul 28, 2008 #1590 of 10248
    Rocka2

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    • Hi, I have never posted here but I have been reading for quite a while. I just recently purchased two series3 Tivos and am going to upgrade the storage. This is where I came up with my question about the Antec enclosure with correct cable. Is there a benefit to using the SIIG cable with this enclosure, or is there no difference using it or the cable included with the Antec enclosure?
     
  11. Jul 28, 2008 #1591 of 10248
    moxie1617

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    I used the stock cable for three months without a problem. Then the unit was moved while house cleaning and nothing but reboots until I replaced the cable with the SIIG. It's been eleven months now since the swap and many more cleanings without any problems. If you can set it and forget it the stock cable supplied by Antec will be fine. Otherwise, it's cheap insurance to get the SIIG.
     
  12. Jul 28, 2008 #1592 of 10248
    Rocka2

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    Thanks moxie1617.
     
  13. Jul 29, 2008 #1593 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Like Moxie I (and many others) have used the cable that came with the Antec enclosure. I bought ours in March of '07 or so and didn't have any problems. There was a short period (about this time last year) where several people ran into problems with the cable Antec was shipping. IMO they were overwhelmed with orders, couldn't fill them fast enough and went with a cheap cable for a while. That seemed to have cleared up by last fall. IIRC there haven't been any issues since then. The SIIG cables have never had a complaint AFAIK and are a good inexpensive backup JIC.
     
  14. Jul 30, 2008 #1594 of 10248
    BanditWS6

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    Unfortunately I can't help assay any fears of compatibility with a Series 3, but I did just receive one of these drives that I plan to put into my TiVo HD as an internal drive replacement. I'll be attempting the upgrade tonight and will report back on how it goes.

    I realize that the WD10EACS has been reported (by most users, anyway) to work fine in a TiVo HD, but as the 00D6B0 is a new revision, I figure my experience may be valuable. :)
     
  15. Jul 30, 2008 #1595 of 10248
    dwit

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    If I may ask, where did you get it? Did you know which version you would be getting beforehand? If so, how?

    Thanks.
     
  16. Jul 30, 2008 #1596 of 10248
    DydekD

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    I've just plugged in Vantec's NexStar3 with 1TB Western Digital Caviar Black WD10000LSRTL (32MB Cache, 7200RPM, perpendicular magnetic recording, dual processor) into TiVo Series3, and it seems to be working fine so far. 165HD and 1561SD recording capacity.
     
  17. Jul 30, 2008 #1597 of 10248
    BanditWS6

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    I picked it up from Newegg.com on Monday for $179 shipped. At the time, I did not know which revision I would be getting; Newegg doesn't have the minor revision number on their product listing.

    Before I ordered, I went through this thread and saw some talk of the 00D6B0. Turned out that's what I got.

    The drive is undergoing an MFScopy with WinMFS as we speak, about 20 minutes left. I set the AAM level to minimum (128) with the Hitachi Feature Tool beforehand. So far so good.
     
  18. Jul 30, 2008 #1598 of 10248
    BanditWS6

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    Update: Got the WD10EACS-00D6B0 installed in the TiVo HD and everything looks good. System Information reports 144 HD hours and 1326 SD hours (I supersized the original drive before running MFScopy). It's also too quiet for me to hear anything -- the cooling fan in my AV receiver is louder than any noise the TiVo might be making.

    CableCARD settings were carried over without incident and I had my full channel lineup about 10-20 seconds after initial boot. My recordings from the original disk copied over fine and are perfectly playable.

    To celebrate the newfound space, I just scheduled 5 hours worth of Olympic opening ceremonies in HD. :)

    Tomorrow I should run a soft reboot test to make sure that won't cause any problems.

    Edit: Soft reboot works fine, no issues.

    Last night at 4:30 a.m. I noticed that in a completely dead-silent house, I can hear a tiny little high-pitched seek noise from the new drive. During the day it's inaudible.
     
  19. Aug 1, 2008 #1599 of 10248
    toddc

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    I just got a message on my Series 3 that Seagate FreeAgent Pro is not supported and is known to cause problems. I have two of them on two series 3 (one 750GB and one 1TB) and have not had a problem for over 1 year on the 750 GB and 6 months on the 1 TB.

    Has anyone gotten any messages in regard to other third party drives from TiVo?
     
  20. Aug 1, 2008 #1600 of 10248
    jlib

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    Interesting! The message went out of its way to say it is known to cause problems? Did this message coincide with the 9.4 system update?
     

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