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Drive Expansion and Drive Upgrade FAQ

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by bkdtv, Oct 19, 2007.

  1. Oct 26, 2007 #141 of 10248
    HDTiVo

    HDTiVo Not so Senior Member

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    Personally I feel better with certain non-WD products. ;)
     
  2. Oct 26, 2007 #142 of 10248
    nexus99

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    THis is probably the solution I am giong to go with as well. Anyone know of a good price on the Hitachi drive? :)
     
  3. Oct 26, 2007 #143 of 10248
    lrhorer

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    Speaking specifically to the AnteK MX-1, I find the platter noise undetectable, although if it is close to the individual in an otherwise quiet room, it might be detectable. It has sound dampening feet to reduce transmission of vibrations to the surface on which it sits, but if the shelf on which it (or the TiVo) rests is acting as a sounding board, try sitting the unit on a cloth. Otherwise, the only noise I can ordinarily hear from the Seagate Barracuda (reportedly a fairly noisy drive) in the Antek housing is seek noise. The unit only does much in the way of significantly long seeks if one is accessing the database a lot by looking up titles, wishlists, etc. At six feet, I am unable to detect any noise at all coming from the Antek MX-1 housing whihc contains the Hitachi 1T drive.

    Speaking in general, hearing is not linear, so it takes much more than twice the amount of noise for something to sound twice as loud. In fact, a psychoacoustic doubling of the sound level requires ten times the energy (or in this case ten times the number of sources or ten TiVos) to sound twice as loud. Directionality aside, most people cannot tell the difference between a single souce of sound and two identical sound sources. Of course in your case, the external drive may not make any more noise than the TiVo, but it does make a different noise, so the result won't be noticably louder but it may be qualitatively different.
     
  4. Oct 26, 2007 #144 of 10248
    lrhorer

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    I second that. One of my Series III TiVos has 2 of the Hitachi 1TB drives, 1 ineternal and 1 e-SATA. Outside of some minor issues caused by a flaky e-SATA cable, the duet has been functioning flawlessly since June. :)

    My only complaints are that even 2TB is too small for my needs, and the fact I wish TiVo would allow the units to employ a smaller font in 1080i resolution so I coud have more titles on the screen at once. It takes forever to scroll through the titles with the relative handful currently supported by the TiVo on the screen. :(
     
  5. Oct 26, 2007 #145 of 10248
    gwsat

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    Thanks to all for your feedback concerning whether TiVo is likely to bless a 750 Gig or 1 Tb eSATA solution for the S3 in the near future. My hesitance to buy different brands of hard drive, enclosure, and cable does not stem from any fear that it wouldn’t work. Thanks to bkdtv’s wonderful FAQ, I am confident that one of the Seagate DB35 drives, an Antec enclosure, and an SIIG cable would work well with my S3. But I am a cheapskate, so it looks as if I would need to use multiple vendors to get the absolute best price. Another negative is that the 1 Tb Seagate DB 35, although it’s been announced, is apparently not going to be shipping until after the first of the year.

    Can somebody make a recommendation as to where I might buy from a single vendor, at a reasonable price, an acceptable 1 Tb drive, an Antec Mx-1 enclosure, and an SIIG CB-SA0111-S1 cable? It appears that even Amazon can’t fill the bill right now. Thanks again!
     
  6. Oct 26, 2007 #146 of 10248
    supie

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    I just bought the WD WD10EACS from FuturePowerPC.com for $291 which includes shipping and tax (exept for NYC) So this less that the recent BB price of $280 plus tax.

    I also found the SIIG Sata cable at Buy.com for $8.99 plus tax and shipping. I bought the Antec MX1 from Circuit City for $39.99. Yes I know it 3 different vendors but the best prices today.
     
  7. Oct 27, 2007 #147 of 10248
    fred2

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    I will also affirm that. With Season Premiers, it is hard to capture it all on smaller storage units. NOWPLAYINGLIST shows my space is filled and older stuff is 'evaporating' so I guess I did/do need the space.

    I went with the Seagate Free Agent Pro (FAP) 750gig and after the initial "cable" issue, I've not had any problems. Including moving the entire setup from an outside shelf to an enclosed armoire across the room and pulling wires under a floor. Powered off the Tivo, powered off the FAP, moved stuff, powered on the fap, then the tivo and all my stuff was still there. Been running fine for months now.
     
  8. Oct 27, 2007 #148 of 10248
    nexus99

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    I am checking CC.com and the Antec is 59 bucks. Is there a special link or code maybe to get the 39 deal? I am probably going to go with the system you outlined above.

    Anyone see any better prices on a good 1 TB drive?
     
  9. Oct 27, 2007 #149 of 10248
    jrock

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    I have a question about what the best solution would be for my situation.

    I purchased the S3 when it first came out and upgraded the internal drive to 500 GB. I would like to add some more space but now I can't decide what would be the best and cheapest way to do it. Here are my options.

    1) Buy the $199 supported ESATA My DVR Expander and use WinMFS to add it.
    2) Get an MX-1 and some other Drive and Use WinMFS to add it.
    3) Replace the original Drive in the S3 then either do 1 or 2 without having to use WinMFS.

    I have searched around for the cheapest prices and I can get the MX-1 for $50 then the ESATA cable is $10 and the cheapest 750 GB DVR certified drive I can find is over $200. Even buying a certified 500 GB drive and the MX-1 and Cable separately seems to be a little over $200 so am I correct that the $199 drive TiVo is now selling is the cheapest way to add 500 GB?

    If anyone else has any place to get one of the supported drives for really cheap please post a link. Thanks.

    -Joe

    P.S. Another option I have thought of is to get one of the really cheap large 1gb storage drives for the PC and use TiVo Desktop to transfer the shows to the computer and store shows on the computer then delete them on the S3 and restore them later on when I am ready to watch them. Like for shows that I don't have time to watch now but plan to watch later during breaks or between seasons. What are peoples thoughts on that?
     
  10. Oct 27, 2007 #150 of 10248
    Joybob

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    If someone could write a 3rd party app to transfer shows to a PC then delete them off the S3 then we could just use multi-terabyte RAID solutions instead of fooling with external drives.
     
  11. Oct 28, 2007 #151 of 10248
    alee

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    So let's say I have an internal 750GB upgraded drive in my S3, and I do an mfsadd to expand to an eSATA drive.

    Let's say that eSATA drive dies.

    1. Does my TiVo still work, or does it stop working?

    2. Can I just repeat the mfsadd command on a new eSATA drive, or is there some other divorce/marry routine that needs to happen?

    -Al
     
  12. Oct 28, 2007 #152 of 10248
    richsadams

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    The last option would be my recommendation...although you may not be able to transfer everything as some shows may be flagged.
     
  13. Oct 28, 2007 #153 of 10248
    richsadams

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    1. TiVo will still work after you divorce the expansion drive. If the drive dies it will stop TiVo from recording anything further until you divorce the failed drive. Unfortunately you will lose all of the recordings made from the point the eSATA drive was added. (This is the same whether P&P or mfsADD is used.)

    When TiVo can no longer access the eSATA drive due to power failure, drive failure or cable disconnect the following screen will be displayed:

    [​IMG]

    TiVo will not function until you act on this screen.

    If you divorce an eSATA drive the following screen will be displayed:

    [​IMG]

    After system reconfiguration TiVo will reboot using the internal/"A" drive alone.

    2. Yes, you will be able to add a new eSATA drive. See Section III, #10 on the first post on this thread.
     
  14. Oct 28, 2007 #154 of 10248
    opus472

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    Then there must be more substantive differences between the two than generally acknowledged. I thought the only official distinctions were the front panel, remote, HD size and THX cert, relatively trivial stuff....
     
  15. Oct 28, 2007 #155 of 10248
    richsadams

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    See this post regarding TiVo's reasoning behind only allowing the "approved device" to work with TiVo HD's.

    Check out this thread for more details about TiVo HD's. (Slightly dated re;eSATA)

    Check out this post for spec comparisons.
     
  16. Oct 28, 2007 #156 of 10248
    c3

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    Can TiVo even divorce a MFSADDed drive?
     
  17. Oct 28, 2007 #157 of 10248
    jrock

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    Hmm now there is another problem with that idea, I transferred over 100 GB's of episodes of Ugly Betty, American Inventor, Big Shots, and Men in Trees and all went fine over the last few days. Today I tried transferring Cane, Big Bang Theory, and Moonlight but they all stop after a few MB of transfer. I rebooted both the PC and TiVo, deleted the files, and tried again but they all stop at the same point they did before. I retried transferring a file I already transferred to make sure something didn't break and it works with the shows I already transferred. So it seems to be having troubles with certain shows. I'm not sure why.

    -Joe
     
  18. Oct 28, 2007 #158 of 10248
    jrock

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    Wonder how good this is?

    Cavalry 750GB - USB 2.0 & eSATA Dual Interface 7200RPM External Hard Drive Kit - CAXM37750

    It's only $179.99 at buy.com and you can use the same coupons as the above post. It only has a 1 year warranty though.

    -Joe
     
  19. Oct 28, 2007 #159 of 10248
    Joybob

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    Doesn't have a fan, but for $179.99 it seems good.

    Risky IMO.
     
  20. Oct 28, 2007 #160 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Per the old eSATA expansion FAQ & Troubleshooting post, Cavalry drives displayed almost immediate problems when used with TiVo. See #36. Although the one you’ve listed is a different model, IIRC there were other Cavalry drives that had problems as well.
     

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