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Drive Expansion and Drive Upgrade FAQ

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by bkdtv, Oct 19, 2007.

  1. Jul 17, 2008 #1541 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Sorry to hear that you're having problems with your eSATA drive. I agree with Greg and Husky, your issues have all the earmarks of a bad eSATA cable or enclosure. If it's the enclosure it's likely something to do with the bridge. Since the problem occurs about a half-hour after connecting it, it's probably something heat/chip related which makes me suspect the enclosure more than a cable. A new MX-1 should do the trick. (It comes with a cable anyway.)

    Here's the Hitachi Feature Tool link.

    FWIW, to avoid confusion when describing your TiVo, this is commonly called a TiVo HD and this is commonly called a TiVo Series3. Both are labeled as Series3's, but it can be confusing if you say "Series 3 HD."

    Good luck and let us know how things go. :up:
     
  2. Jul 17, 2008 #1542 of 10248
    richsadams

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    I can't say for sure...haven't received the update yet...but my money says no. TiVo was kind enough to let us skate on the P&P eSATA options with the Series3. It was never intended to be that way but the secret about how to do it leaked out and they saw fit to accommodate a lot of us. They also surmised that there would be issues if that happened and this thread more than confirms their suspicions. IMHO they made a wise business decision locking down the TiVo HD's. Not that I like it, but I can understand their desire to control support issues;not having to deal with every imaginable configuration we crazies might come up with.

    So long story longer, I wouldn't hold my breath for anything but a TiVo approved drive to be connected via plug and pray when it comes to the TiVo HD. Mind you, I'd like to be proven wrong.

    That said, you can of course follow the directions on the very first post of this sticky thread to connect unauthorized drives if you're comfortable opening up your TiVo and using WinMFS to conduct a marriage ceremony. Consensus has it that you might as well just upgrade the TiVo HD's OEM drive if you're going to go to the trouble though.
     
  3. Jul 17, 2008 #1543 of 10248
    greg_burns

    greg_burns Now in HD

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    You can no longer tell what hardware anyone is talking about. :rolleyes:

    I prefer TivoHD and S3. But there is no consistency, especially with new users that don't even know there was/is an earlier Series 3. :(
     
  4. Jul 17, 2008 #1544 of 10248
    Flyinace2000

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    Next time i see a 750gb or 1TB drive on sale i might jump on it. Thanks
     
  5. Jul 17, 2008 #1545 of 10248
    richsadams

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    750GB is the sweet spot when it comes to $$ per gig right now. You can find them on sale at places like newegg.com for under $100 these days.
     
  6. Jul 17, 2008 #1546 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Or that some of us spent $500 more to buy one when it first came out! :eek: :D
     
  7. Jul 17, 2008 #1547 of 10248
    jlib

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    Can you verify the fan is spinning in the MX-1?
     
  8. Jul 18, 2008 #1548 of 10248
    Flyinace2000

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    yeah i just bought 4 750gb drives for my file server (90 bucks each). Next hard drive sale i see i am gonna jump on it for the Tivo.
     
  9. Jul 18, 2008 #1549 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Even if the fan isn't spinning I wouldn't think that that it would heat up to the point of failure in 30 minutes. The FAP's (and some others folks are using) don't have a fan at all and although they have had a bit of a checkered past it seems that most of them are still functioning okay. The fan in my MX-1 was certainly helpful, but it's pretty light weight...makes me think that if it quit it would take quite a while to reach 55c+ degrees if ever. That's not to say that overheating couldn't be an issue, but in that short time period I'd still lean more toward a chip or connection issue. In any case, hopefully a replacement will clear up the OP's troubles.
     
  10. Jul 18, 2008 #1550 of 10248
    c3

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    A plastic enclosure really needs to have a working fan, especially for the Hitachi drive which uses 5 platters. Even if the drive itself works fine, a marginal USB-SATA bridge chip may not be able to take the additional heat, with or without the fan.

    Personally, I prefer a fanless aluminum enclosure with a low temperature drive such as the WD GP.
     
  11. Jul 18, 2008 #1551 of 10248
    efreedenburg

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    The fan is spinning. Just got an email from Antec for an RMA. When I get the replacement mx-1 I'll post in this thread.

    Free Agent Pro still working fine as it did for about a year before purchasing the mx-1.

    I still would like to see someones 'Feature Tool' settings for a working Hitachi Deskstar.

    I don't need a link to the 'Feature Tool Software' I need the working settings.


    Thanks All
    Ed
     
  12. Jul 18, 2008 #1552 of 10248
    husky55

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    1. My Hitachi Deskstar is attached to my Tivo right now so I cannot post any Hitachi Feature tool settings or picture. But I did notice in the FAQs that Hitachi Deskstar were kind of noisy, so although my Hitachi was not listed in the FAQ (it's a newer model with pretty good HD tune readings but not as good as my WD6400AAKS in my desktop) I did use the feature tool to set the AAM to 128 for both the WD and the Hitachi. Tivo do not need all the speed so I am looking quietness and efficiency.

    I left other settings at the factory defaults.

    2. The Antec MX-1 keeps the drive cooler than many computer cases as reported in Anandtech.com in the storage forum. I believe the average HD temps in the MX-1 was between 30-37C depending on the HD and the ambient temp. So again Rich was right about the temp of the HD when the fan was not working. But the fan was working for you.

    3. The fan in the MX-1 is the only noise audible when the HD AAM were set at 128 (lowest scale in the feature tool) and pushes out cool air, not warm to the touch. So I doubt if heat was the issue here.
     
  13. Jul 18, 2008 #1553 of 10248
    begold

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    Costco is offering the WD My DVR 500 GB online for $139.00 with free shipping ... Best price I have seen
     
  14. Jul 18, 2008 #1554 of 10248
    jojimailbox

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    Hi guys,

    I saw the opening FAQ and list of recommended drives. When I saw the external drive list, I was surprised there was only 1 listed- the My Expander model from WD.

    I was wondering if there's been any success with the WD Studio Edition WDH1Q10000N or any other for that matter. I saw Amazon selling it for $239 and figure it might be a good price for not having to deal with purchasing an enclosure. I don't want to deal with making the drive internal.

    Any thoughts?

    Thanks guys!

    JT
     
  15. Jul 18, 2008 #1555 of 10248
    husky55

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    @JT,

    Are you talking about S3 or TivoHD?

    WD My Expander DVR 500GB is the only PNP HD for TivoHD. The S3 is more adaptable to other ESata drives.

    Some WD External HDs are NOT recommended because of incompatibility problem, strange but true.

    :rolleyes:
     
  16. Jul 18, 2008 #1556 of 10248
    jojimailbox

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    Hi Huksy,

    sorry, that would have been helpful huh? I'm still new to writing in forums :). I am talking about S3. The other 1T external drive I've seen is Seagate ST310005FPA1E3-RK. If anyone knows of successfully using an external drive (a drive that already comes with its own enclosure) please let us know :)


    thanks!

    Edit: Sorry, I found a thread from back in Jan/Feb 08 where someone tried the Seagate external drive. Sounds like it was successful for at least the 24 hours he reported. I'm going to try messaging him to see how things are going still. Maybe this is the one?? Newegg is selling it for $229 with free shipping!

    Edit#2: OMG, I thought I was going crazy. After reviewing the first page FAQ, I all of a sudden come to one where there's mention of external drives. Well, after going back to what I had found I realized there are TWO threads on drive expansion:
    1. Official eSATA Drive Expansion in 9.2: FAQ + Discussion
    2. Series3 eSATA Drive Expansion in 8.x: FAQ + Discussion

    damn, I was soooo confused. LOL

    OK, I think after looking at both threads, I might actually go with getting an internal drive and enclosure instead of drive and enclosure right out of the box. For one, it sounds like the former is tried and tested thoroughly. 2nd, if you go the 750 route, you can upgrade to 1T in the future and install the 750 into the Tivo or use it in a desktop computer. Simply more flexibility.

    If for some reason I go the self contained external drive route, I'll let you guys know how it goes :)
     
  17. Jul 19, 2008 #1557 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Fry's is currently offering the Western Digital 1TB GP drive for $169 (a very good price) for a limited time. This drive will work as an external drive for the Series3, but NOT as an internal upgrade. (It will work as an internal upgrade for TiVo HD's however.)

    Amazon is offering the recommended Antec MX-1 enclosure for $38.40 (also a very good price) w/free shipping.

    The combination of the two are ideal for creating an expansion drive for the Series3.
     
  18. Jul 19, 2008 #1558 of 10248
    rjspring

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    Is that the same drive as this (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136151)? I'm looking to upgrade to a TivoHD in the upcoming months and would gladly change out the internal drive for a 1TB.

    I was able to find the WD AV-GP @ Amazon for $230, but read your post on the Tivo not being able to take advantage of all the features - would it be better than to go with the WD10EACS?
     
  19. Jul 19, 2008 #1559 of 10248
    RS4

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    I have a Tivo HD. It looks like reading the first post that Tivo is still only supporting 500 gig for the external drive. Would I be able to just plug the Western Digital drive that you mentioned into the Antec and get 500 gig or would I have to follow the instructions in part III - 10? I'm just trying to figure out if I really have to pull things apart to take advantage of the 1TB. As you can probably tell, I hate messing with hardware. I did order the Antec you mentioned, and I now have to figure out what hdd to get.
    Thanks
     
  20. Jul 19, 2008 #1560 of 10248
    moxie1617

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    You are going to have to do it the hard way with the Tivo HD. Only the original S3 is plug and play.
     

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