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Drive Expansion and Drive Upgrade FAQ

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by bkdtv, Oct 19, 2007.

  1. Oct 25, 2007 #121 of 10248
    HDTiVo

    HDTiVo Not so Senior Member

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    They wrote a few lines of code that checks. :rolleyes:
     
  2. Oct 25, 2007 #122 of 10248
    Fofer

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    Why, though?

    And is there some inherent danger in the procedure George Difranci outlined above?

    I know adding an external eSATA drive to an already upgraded S3 didn't work with the kickstart method so I wasn't surprised when the official method didn't support it either. But I figured it was due to some technical reason and how the internal drives were prepared.
     
  3. Oct 25, 2007 #123 of 10248
    HDTiVo

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    I've got a TiVo HD sitting next to me with the cover off that I've tortured in every possible way with MFS. Right now it is running without anything whatsoever plugged into the MBD eSata port. The active drive is just sitting loose on top of the original drive which is still mounted to the bracket. I've had second drives run sitting balanced on top of the back part of the frame.

    The only thing I couldn't get it to do was run off a single drive plugged into the MBD eSata port instead of the main port.

    I plan to test it with an external RAID (Buffalo - on order) drive connected to the eSata port connected to the MBD main port.

    Danger hasn't found me yet.
     
  4. Oct 26, 2007 #124 of 10248
    bkdtv

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    I don't think that is quite right.

    The impression I got from spike2k5 was as follows: At bootup, the TiVo's eSATA support looks for a certain MFS partition. On unmodified Tivos, that MFS partition is always on the eSATA drive, but once you upgrade the internal drive (which is accomplished by adding new MFS partitions), that particular MFS partition is on the internal drive.

    Tivo could have gone out of their way to code eSATA support so it could check for expanded Tivos with extra MFS partitions. But I don't think you can fault them for not doing that.
     
  5. Oct 26, 2007 #125 of 10248
    Fofer

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    Nah, but if they had done that, I'd love them a whole lot more, that's for sure. :)
     
  6. Oct 26, 2007 #126 of 10248
    richsadams

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    bkdtv has it right I believe (see above), but Spike's the guy that can give you even more detail if you want it.

    Try posting on his MFSLive Forum and see what he has to say.
     
  7. Oct 26, 2007 #127 of 10248
    HDTiVo

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    TiVo didn't write a few lines of code that checks. :rolleyes: :)
     
  8. Oct 26, 2007 #128 of 10248
    jiehl

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    I have tried two drives in my external enclosure and neither worked. Each one was found but instead of saying they were unsupported my TIVOHD came back with a "Can not use drive" message.

    Has anyone ran into this? Is there a workaround?

    Drives Tested:
    Hitachi Deskstart 500GB
    WD Caviar RE2 400GB
     
  9. Oct 26, 2007 #129 of 10248
    Joybob

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    It has to be the official Tivo drive. Sorry bro.
     
  10. Oct 26, 2007 #130 of 10248
    jiehl

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    I have read that it will warn you that your drive is not supported in some cases. What is the difference?
     
  11. Oct 26, 2007 #131 of 10248
    Fofer

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  12. Oct 26, 2007 #132 of 10248
    fred2

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    The difference is that Tivo designed the S3 and the TivoHD differently (or they programmed them differently). So the S3 will take a UNofficial drive after flashing the warning message while the HD version will NOT use an UNofficial drive. (I am not versed enough to know if there is a techie workaround for the HD or not - I have an S3, luckily)
     
  13. Oct 26, 2007 #133 of 10248
    jiehl

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    Does anyone have any insight as to when and "if" they will qualify other drives? Or is it safe to assume Tivo will continue to monitor this and upsell drives on their own?
     
  14. Oct 26, 2007 #134 of 10248
    Fofer

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    I think it's safe to assume that TiVo will continue to monitor and upsell. IMHO.
     
  15. Oct 26, 2007 #135 of 10248
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    No crow eating needed..;) I was hoping for a cheaper solution! I'm undecided on how to proceed. I think my plan for now is to just wait and see what shakes out. I'm undecided on how much hard drive space I want to pay for. On a long ago previous DirecTiVo I had ~ 120 hrs of record time (standard def of course) and I really liked that. 120 hours seemed like an awful lot to me and I liked being able to keep 10-15 movies on there plus my normal network show content. Looks like 500gb + 160gb internal will give ~80hrs of HD record time. I'm not sure if +$100 for 30 more hours equates to an additional $100 of enjoyment.

    (I have no issue with non-supported expansion...but if I do end up deciding to buy in at the "500gb" level, I'll probably go with the "official" solution just because it saves me time...)

    -Matt

     
  16. Oct 26, 2007 #136 of 10248
    bkdtv

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    That is for the Series3, not the TivoHD. See the first post of this thread.

    The TivoHD and Series3 are two different products.
     
  17. Oct 26, 2007 #137 of 10248
    gwsat

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    Does anybody have any information as to when TiVo will bless a 750 Gig or 1 Tb eSATA solution similar to the Western Digital 500 Gig eSATA package they have already blessed?

    I am anxious to add an eSATA drive to my S3 but I don’t want to limit myself to 500 Gig and am unwilling to buy a drive, an enclosure, and an eSATA II cable from three different manufacturers, which TiVo won’t support.
     
  18. Oct 26, 2007 #138 of 10248
    richsadams

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    I wouldn't hold my breath. The odds are that Spike or someone else here will find a work around sooner.

    HDTiVo made some pretty good points about "support" on this post.

    BTW, there are a number of other "pre-packaged" P&P eSATA drives that you can use with your S3 if you're not in the mood to build one yourself (which is very, very easy IMHO).
     
  19. Oct 26, 2007 #139 of 10248
    bkdtv

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    It doesn't look good. I asked a press spokesman at Western Digital and they said no 1Tb DVR Expander was planned for this year.

    They said we should see something along those lines by this time next year, but they would not be any more specific than that.
     
  20. Oct 26, 2007 #140 of 10248
    keenanSR

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    I think the risk of using one of the already tried and tested by this community solutions is next to nil. There's always a chance something will go wrong, but that chance versus the increased space is more than a fair tradeof in my opinion. I've been using a 1TB Hitachi in a Antec enclosure for months now and have not had a single issue.
     

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