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Drive Expansion and Drive Upgrade FAQ

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by bkdtv, Oct 19, 2007.

  1. May 5, 2008 #1301 of 10248
    jgkurz

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    I couldn't find one either. Everyone is out of stock. I took that as a bad sign and purchased this "approved" drive.

    http://www.lagoom.com/Hitachi_1TB_3.5_SATA_3G_DESKTOP/0A35274/partinfo-id-574706.html
     
  2. May 5, 2008 #1302 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Western Digital's WD10EVCS line of DVR drives is brand new more-or-less. We saw the same "shortage" when they first introduced the WD10EACS last year. Everyone had them and then no one could get them. Retailers tend to error on the side of caution when stocking a new product...not knowing how high the demand will be. The same issue occurred with Antec's MX-1 enclosures but they are plentiful now as well.

    The Hitachi is a good choice and so is the new Seagate 1TB (although they are also sold out on line, all of our Best Buy's show them in stock). Samsung makes a nice drive as well. If you're wanting one of the new WD AV GP drives, hang in there...I suspect there will be plenty in the coming weeks once production and inventory catch up.
     
  3. May 5, 2008 #1303 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Sounds good Bill. Keep us posted on what you end up doing. :up:

    (Go Beavers!)
     
  4. May 5, 2008 #1304 of 10248
    m-hdtv

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    Will the Hitachi Feature Tool allow adjustment of a WD drive using the SATA->USB adapter? I only have a laptop and want to make the adjustment.
     
  5. May 5, 2008 #1305 of 10248
    jlib

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    Carmel...
    No, but you can use any Linux boot disk and the hdparm command.
     
  6. May 5, 2008 #1306 of 10248
    andy_hd

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    My experience has been that the 'hdparm' command will not work over a USB -> SATA link. I don't have a native SATA PC, so I'm also looking for a solution to this issue.
     
  7. May 5, 2008 #1307 of 10248
    andy_hd

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    Well I followed this link and while simontiki claims to have success, I was never able to make this work. Over at mfslive, Spike also says it won't work:


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    You can't set AAM via USB adaper.
    You will have to use IDE or SATA connection.
     
  8. May 6, 2008 #1308 of 10248
    jgkurz

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    Who is Bill....? I usually go by John :)
     
  9. May 7, 2008 #1309 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Bill? Who the h**l is Bill anyway? I said John didn't I? :eek:

    No offense Bill. :D
     
  10. May 7, 2008 #1310 of 10248
    jlib

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    Carmel...
    I was relying on this comment regarding success. I have not personally done it so those who actually claim to have success should chime in. Why does spike list the hdparm command for USB drives in his docs if he says it doesn't work over USB?
     
  11. May 8, 2008 #1311 of 10248
    rlawlis

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    Help.

    Trying to copy original drive from 160gb TivoHD to 1tb seagate.

    Using WinMFS latest version, beta 8, MS XP Pro sp3, I tried connecting the original tivoHD drive both through a serial ata port and a usb 2.0 port. In both cases I get same WinMFS error message when I try to pick the 160gb TivoHD drive:

    Error 7 "Wrong tivo partition signature!".

    Winmfs has no trouble "seeing" the drive, its capacity: 160gb, interface type, os type:tivo, etc. whatever shows up on the pick screen.

    At a complete loss.

    More bad news.

    I put the original Tivo drive back in the TivoHD and now the TivoHD just cycles between the "power up" and "just a few minutes more" screens.

    I don't know what the boot sequence is for this machine but I suspect that the power up cycle reads from solid state memory and then does a drive seek at the few minutes more screen. At which point the os can't read the drive and does a power cycle.

    How do I get the drive back?

    Thanks,

    R Lawlis
     
  12. May 8, 2008 #1312 of 10248
    dwit

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    Sounds like xp may have messed up the "boot sector"(my wording).

    Winmfs instructions have a couple of methods of possibly correcting this. One method is if you have backed up this "boot sector" , near when you first connected to pc. There is also another method(I think) if you have not done the back up. It's there in the online guide. Just read it thoroughly. Correct term is "boot page". This "other" method is the Fix Bootpage Tool.

    Remember, when you connect the Tivo to the pc, the very first thing you should do is to make the truncated backup of the Tivo drive. You really should not do anything else until this is done. That way, worst case scenario, you have your (working)Tivo image to restore to the drive if something goes awry.

    Good luck. Hope things work out. Keep us posted.

    "...Mounting drives
    There are numerous discussions on why connecting a TiVo drive to a Windows machine is bad because it will make the drive not boot. It's partly true. Older Windows OS versions like 2000 did auto mount a drive and assigned a letter if you booted the drive even though it's not mounted. This behavior is changed since Windows 2000 sp2 or later so rest assured. Even if that happens, all it does it overwrite TiVo bootpage which is on sector 0, or first 512 bytes of the hard drive with Windows version of MBR. You can easily fix that problem with the included "Fix Bootpage" tool. You can also backup your bootpage with the backup option.
    ..."
     
  13. May 8, 2008 #1313 of 10248
    rlawlis

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    These sound like good places to start but it's difficult to make a backup if the application won't let you pick the drive you want to backup or fix. I can't get past the WinMFS "Select Drive" dialog. All I did was 1) attach drive to XP machine, 2) boot xp, 3) run WinMFS, 4) Select Drive. 5) read error message. If you cannot select the tivo drive you cannot get to any of the backup of fix tool dialogs in WinMFS.

    Maybe the linux version can repair the drive. Any ideas out there?
     
  14. May 8, 2008 #1314 of 10248
    dwit

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    That was just a warning for the future and anyone else that plans on connecting a Tivo drive to a PC.

    Read down the guide for the "Fix Boot Page Tool" procedure. It may yet correct the matter. This is the original drive we're talking about here.

    Also, there are forums there at mfslive.org and the developer there(Spike) usually, eventually responds and posts.

    "Fix Bootpage Option 1 & 2

    If Tivo bootpage is damaged, use this tool to fix it. There is option 1 & 2 as there is no way of knowing which partitions are active. So you have 50/50 chance of guessing it right. Try option 1 and see if it boots up properly and has the correct software. If not try option2."
     
  15. May 9, 2008 #1315 of 10248
    ilh

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    I have saved the original boot page from my THD made with WinMFS. PM me if you want it.

    --Lee
     
  16. May 9, 2008 #1316 of 10248
    husky55

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    Just for info. Winmfs works fine in my WinXP Pro-SP3. My Sata drives were configured as AHCI instead of IDE .

    However, when I upgraded the Tivo HD, my XP was SP2. Just installed SP3 yesterday.
     
  17. May 9, 2008 #1317 of 10248
    rlawlis

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    Thanks but according to Spike the partition table somehow got blown. So now I either have to find an original tivoHD disk to copy or learn to use pdisk to reconstruct it. Anyone know where I can find pdisk help?
     
  18. May 9, 2008 #1318 of 10248
    bomberjim

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    Rapid City...
    I've read through alot of the information here but still have several questions.

    1. I'm considering doing an internal drive upgrade on a Tivo HD. I'd like to put in a 500GB drive as that seems to be the sweet spot price wise and would meet my needs. The "approved" list of drives is a little light on 500GB models, and I'm not really interested in one of the "AV" models. Is this drive http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136149 acceptable for use?

    2. I'd also like to use a USB to SATA adapter. New Egg has several available, can I just go with the cheapest one? One of the ones that was referenced previously in this thread is no longer available.
     
  19. May 11, 2008 #1319 of 10248
    richsadams

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    AFAIK no one here has tried using that particular drive, but I don't see any reason it wouldn't work. Before installing it you should probably lower the automatic acoustical settings from the stock setting to 128 using the Hitachi Feature Tool. That will make the drive run much quieter (w/o affecting the performance.)

    With regard to the USB to SATA adapter, you usually get what you pay for so I wouldn't skimp. Are you using a laptop? If not, most PC's less than a few years old have at least four SATA connectors on the mother board. Using a regular SATA cable (very inexpensive) to connect your drives directly to your PC's MB is a much better way to go. Keep in mind that the drive you've mentioned is "OEM", which means it doesn't come with any cables at all...power, SATA, etc. so you'd need to buy those separately. You may be able to find the retail/boxed version of the same drive locally and that will have both SATA and power cables.

    Best of luck and keep us posted! :up:
     
  20. May 11, 2008 #1320 of 10248
    jgkurz

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