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Drive Expansion and Drive Upgrade FAQ

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by bkdtv, Oct 19, 2007.

  1. Apr 27, 2008 #1261 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Welcome to the forum. :up: dwit, husky and others have given good advice here. I've tried both and agree that swapping out the internal drive and putting the original on the shelf is the way to go.

    Any of the drives listed in Section III, #27 on the first post/FAQ of this thread will work as an internal drive upgrade for your TiVo Series3 as well.

    This new Seagate 1TB drive may be a good option
    . Based on posts by early adopters it runs cool and one member reported that it was quieter than his original TiVo drive.

    If you're comfortable with removing and replacing a hard drive in your PC, using WinMFS to upgrade your TiVo is a snap. You should have plenty of space on your TiVo in no time.

    Good luck and keep us posted! :up:
     
  2. Apr 28, 2008 #1262 of 10248
    nrnoble

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    Problem: Can't add extrenal FreeAgent Pro (750GB) after upgrading internal drive

    This weekend I upgraded my internal drive to 1TB (from DVRupgrades). Works perfectly; Sys info says I have 144 HD Hours.

    Then....

    I've tried several times to add the FreeAgent external drive. This drive worked before upgrading. Sys Info shows the FreeDrive as connected and I get the "Message" screen asking me if I want to add it as an (unsupported) storage device, but after doing 3 thumbs down, are you really really sure? the system reboots the S3 but does not have any special setup screen that adds the extrenal drive.

    Any ideas why the S3 sees the extrenal HDD, but does not add it as storage device?
     
  3. Apr 28, 2008 #1263 of 10248
    dwit

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    nrnoble said:
    Pretty sure if you check the basics of this topic(first page), it will explain that you cannot add an external drive to an internal that has been expanded in the same way as if the internal was stock.

    In effect, with an already expanded internal, you now have to marry the two drives with mfs procedures(winmfs or mfslive cd) using a pc.
    This procedure is explained at mfslive.org(if not also on first page).
     
  4. Apr 28, 2008 #1264 of 10248
    UnitPrime

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    Ok, now that Tivo has rolled out the newest versions of the software that "should have" merged the two branches of HD (S3 & HD) does anyone know if the ~2tb total storage limit has been increased for the S3?
     
  5. Apr 28, 2008 #1265 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Welcome to the forum. :up:

    IIRC the 2.2TB limit isn't a function of the software version, but the model itself, based on software and hardware. AFAIK THD's and S3's are still differentiated in a number of ways including the P&P expansion abilities, etc. whatever software version they're running.

    Spike at MFSLive may be able to clarify on their forum.
     
  6. Apr 28, 2008 #1266 of 10248
    Elias85018

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    I just picked up the Seagate drive you recommended (ST310005N1A1AS-RK) at Best Buy ($189.95).

    Everything worked fine. New drive is now in the S3 Tivo and the recording limts are
    HD: 131 Hours and
    SD: 1244 Hours.

    The Seagate is running a little cooler than the stock WD250. Not but much, maybe 5-degrees F. The temp was taken with an infrared thermometer during the 1 hour transfer of data. The drive seems just as quiet, no noticeable difference.

    Thanks for you help Rich, I'll keep you posted!

    Gary
     
  7. Apr 28, 2008 #1267 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Great to hear...nice job and thanks for the details about that drive. Not many are in use yet but they look like a very good option. :up:
     
  8. Apr 28, 2008 #1268 of 10248
    lrhorer

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    San...
    No, it's entirely a matter of the file system. The TiVo HD employs a 64 bit MFS file system. The S3 employs a 32 bit MFS file system, which limits the total drive size to 2.2TB. There is no particular reason why the 64 Bit file system could not run on an S3, but converting from MFS 32 to MFS 64 on the fly would be extremely problematical.

    They are, but this particular feature is an aspect only of the kernel and the file system format.
     
  9. Apr 28, 2008 #1269 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Thanks for the clarification. :up:
     
  10. Apr 29, 2008 #1270 of 10248
    JayBird

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    I got no answer regarding fixdivorce, so I just went ahead and ran it before marrying the replacement external drive, and that worked just fine. I also missed the supersize step last time around, but did it this time, so that gave me another 20 hours of HD, for a total of 218 hours of HD (750GB+750GB).

    And, the replacement external drive is working much better (and quieter) than the original, which is now packed and ready to be sent back to Seagate for replacement.
     
  11. Apr 30, 2008 #1271 of 10248
    bchen7106

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    Hey all, so I've got a Tivo HD and am interested in upgrading the hard drive. I read the faq in the beginning, but noticed that it was written some time ago.

    I was just wondering if there has been any difference in the way people are adding eSATA drives (forgive me, I just can't read through the 40 pages of postings).

    Is there a general concensus on which hard drive and enclosure people like? I'm looking for a hard drive that is first and foremost quiet.

    Also, to remove the existing internal hard drive, what is this special screw driver that you're supposed to use? Do I really need to go to an auto store to buy a special screw driver?

    THanks.
     
  12. Apr 30, 2008 #1272 of 10248
    bchen7106

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    Oh and another quick question. My computer has SATA ports, but I don't see anything labeled eSATA. It's fairly new (like 1 year old). Do I still need to get a USB to SATA converter? Or is eSATA and SATA interchangeable?
     
  13. Apr 30, 2008 #1273 of 10248
    husky55

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    1. The FAQ is excellent and mostly accurate and up to date.

    2. Read the FAQ again, you DO need the screwdriver it refers to with the proper size.

    3. SATA is for internal connection. ESATA is for external connection, i.e. your external enclosure. They have different connector and design, however there are converters which allow ESATA to plug into the internal SATA connector.

    4. You do not need to buy USB converter if you know how to connect SATA connector inside your computer.

    5. Read the FAQ. I did.

    6. Proceed carefully.
     
  14. Apr 30, 2008 #1274 of 10248
    bchen7106

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    Thanks for the fast response.

    I'm just debating between just buying the stupid western digital DVR extender and doing it myself. I'm leaving to get married next monday and I'll be gone for almost 2 weeks. I don't want stuff to get backed up on my Tivo but I'm in kind of a time crunch to get this done quick.

    I'd settle for the WD DVR extender, but it just bothers me that I can get a bigger drive for cheaper that I can also use for other things if I ever need to in the future. I'm just a little turned off by the extra things I'll need to buy (special screwdriver, SATA to eSATA converter).
     
  15. Apr 30, 2008 #1275 of 10248
    husky55

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    What are you doing messing with TIVO if you are getting married next Monday. Tivo will be there when you get back. There is no hurry, is there? I would suggest turn off Suggestions as it will fill your Tivo with shows it think you want to watch and will fill your HD in no time.

    As I said, you have no need to buy any converter if you have worked inside your computer before. The WD DVR Extender is not a bad solution.
     
  16. Apr 30, 2008 #1276 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Husky's given you some good advice. :up:

    My two cents? Don't bother with an expansion drive. If you have about an hour or so you can easily replace your TiVo's internal drive by following the directions for the WinMFS program which is free from MFSLive.org. You'll simply download the program to your PC, connect your TiVo's hard drive and your new hard drive to your computer's mother board via normal SATA cables. (You likely have four to eight SATA connectors on your PC's MB.) Once connected open WinMFS and follow the steps. It may seem daunting, but it's really quite simple. It will take more time to remove and replace the hard drive. Running the program takes about five minutes. (A bit more if you want to copy over all of your recordings.)

    Any of the recommended hard drives listed in the first post are good choices...and even the 1TB's are going for less than $200 now. Put TiVo's original drive on the shelf for safe keeping. Should something go wrong, you can always put it back in later.

    BTW Torx screwdrivers are very common...auto parts stores, Sears, etc., they all have them for a couple of dollars, just get the right size (T10 IIRC).

    As mentioned, the WD MY DVR Expander is a fine alternative as well. But if you're like me you'll eventually want more space. Might as well do it now...for less! :)

    Congrats on getting hitched, and let us know how it goes. (With TiVo...although honeymoon details are always welcome here. ;) )
     
  17. May 1, 2008 #1277 of 10248
    UnitPrime

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    I have an S3 with the original drive to which I have added a 500gb esata drive with an external esata case - I want to update the internal drive to a 1tb and upgrade the external to 1tb (or better), Using two 500/640 gb drives via this external esata raid controller.

    Is this possible? I am looking to preserve the shows that I have recorded on the tivo.

    So, the task would be
    a) internal 250gb ---> internal 1tb
    b) external 500gb ---> external 1tb or 1.28tb raid 0 via raid controller

    Am I SoL or is there a way using MFSLive or MFSTools?
     
  18. May 1, 2008 #1278 of 10248
    thomaslue

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  19. May 1, 2008 #1279 of 10248
    dwit

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    (Seagate Recertified)

    ...and does not have a fan. Those two together may raise longevity questions for some. Especially the recertified. That said, I do use this Seagate with my pc. It is silent and cool.

    Might be better to just buy a drive and enclosure(Antec MX-1) if you don't use the expander.
     
  20. May 1, 2008 #1280 of 10248
    jlib

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    Carmel...
    Ths is a good news / bad news scenario. The SiI5744 chip is exactly the kind of RAID 0 controller that should work with the S3 but since you are the first you will be a pioneer of sorts. In other words, there is no reason the ESU2DSATA10 Bridgeboard should not work but there is no confirmation from users here yet. Note that your PC will need an eSATA port or else you will need a SATA/eSATA cable to connect to PC's SATA port to setup your external drive.

    The preservation of your recordings on the external drive is what is problematic. You should have no problem upgrading the internal drive and the ESU2DSATA10 on the surface seems compatible with the eSATA port but the whole process of upgrading is going to cause the loss of data on your current external drive. This is why most veteran upgraders recommend upgrading the internal drive to maximum capacity first. Most people soon exhaust the 500GB external drive if they start archiving anything.

    See richadam's post a few messages back with the tip to use TiVo Desktop to backup recordings. Or maybe have a marathon weekend to get caught up.

    Also note that the WD10EVCS (make that WD10EACS) drive should not be used internally on the S3 to upgrade.
     

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