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Drive Expansion and Drive Upgrade FAQ

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by bkdtv, Oct 19, 2007.

  1. Apr 8, 2008 #1181 of 10265
    mr_zorg

    mr_zorg New Member

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    I just picked up this 1TB eSATA drive and cable at my local Fry's Electronics for $199.99 and $6.99 respectively. I'd heard the Series 3's were picky (indeed, the first one I tried some months ago did NOT work), but this combo worked like a charm. 165 HD hours or 1561 SD hours -- woot!

    http://shop2.outpost.com/product/5518520
    http://shop2.outpost.com/product/5173976

    Just thought I'd share my success story...
     
  2. Apr 8, 2008 #1182 of 10265
    richsadams

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    Congrats! AFAIK you're the first to use this combination. Keep us posted on its behavior.

    BTW, looks like the drive is back up to its $279.99 price tag already. Newegg has it for $199 however.

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...-Hard+Drives+-+External-_-AcomData-_-22216041
     
  3. Apr 8, 2008 #1183 of 10265
    ajburgh

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    I just wanted to add my thanks to all for keeping this FAQ up to date. I upgraded my TivoHD with an internal 1 TB Hitachi CinemaStar on Friday and it's been working like a charm. RCN finally came by yesterday to install the cablecards and I'm ready for some serious HD recording now.

    I had originally added a WD My DVR Expander, but that's going back to BestBuy now. I had been running that for about a week and already once had a problem that the cable got partially detached when moving it.

    I have a 750 GB in an MX-1 case ready to be added to the TivoHD as external upgrade, but I'm holding off on that until I need more space (if ever). I think internals are much more reliable anyway.

    Abel
     
  4. Apr 8, 2008 #1184 of 10265
    jlib

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    Carmel...
    Note that the AcomData enclosure is fanless.
     
  5. Apr 8, 2008 #1185 of 10265
    ilh

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    And reviewers at Newegg said it ran very HOT.
     
  6. Apr 8, 2008 #1186 of 10265
    JohnnyO

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    Twin...
    These drives will be used as internal (and only) drives in two TiVo HD DVRs.

    I ran the WD quick and extended tests overnight on the two drives. They both passed.

    I was going to set AAM with the Hitachi tool, but it seems the OS on the Hitachi CD can't deal with the SATA RAID controller in my Dell E520. :(

    Oh well - the drives seem pretty quiet as it is.

    Next step (for another night) is to do the MFSCOPY from WinMFS. I might just go "old school" and use the MFSLive Linux Boot CD since I'm used to that method from upgrading my DirecTV HDVR2 DVRs.
     
  7. Apr 9, 2008 #1187 of 10265
    rashid11

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    See if you can set your Dell, through BIOS, to "emulate IDE" - this is what I had to do to get it to work with Hitachi tools.

    I do recommend you disconnect the stock drive(s), JIC . You can boot off a floppy (assuming you can still find a floppy :) or CD



     
  8. Apr 9, 2008 #1188 of 10265
    JohnnyO

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    Twin...
    Yes, I think you are correct that I would want to disconnect my working Windows drive if I did this.

    I guess I could disconnect the drive, make the BIOS change, run the AAM utility, and then change the BIOS back, and reattach the drive without causing any long term problem.

    Thanks,

    John
     
  9. Apr 9, 2008 #1189 of 10265
    worried12345

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    Hi,
    I'm new to Tivo - got Tivo HD a couple of weeks ago and already want to extend the capacity (imagine that). So I bought WD10EVCS drive and Antec MX-1 enclousure.
    But as I understand it, I can't just simply connect this combo to my TivoHD external SATA connection. Am I right?
     
  10. Apr 9, 2008 #1190 of 10265
    ilh

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    Correct. You'll need to pull your original drive, attach to PC, and run WinMFS to "marry" the two drives.

    If you're going to do all that, you might as well just "copy" the original drive to the 1TB drive and just use that internally. The 160GB original drive is a drop in the bucket compared to the 1TB, and having a single internal drive is more reliable than internal + external. If your 1TB ever has problems, you can always drop the original drive back in to get up to speed immediately. At least that was my thinking, and I had a WD10EACS and an MX-1.
     
  11. Apr 9, 2008 #1191 of 10265
    worried12345

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    Thank you!
    How difficult (and dangerous) to do it in your opinion? Basically, I obviously don't want to mess up my original TivoHD drive. Sorry for dumb questions (I've never used WinMFS before). My desktop doesn't have SATA connections/drives, so I'm guessing I'll need two SATA to USB 2.0 adapters (with power) to connect the original TivoHD drive and the new WD 1TB to my PC to work with WinMSF? Do I need to use different commands in WinMSF if I want to keep the original THD drive and use the new one as external, vs if I want to replace the original drive with the new one. Thanks a lot.
     
  12. Apr 9, 2008 #1192 of 10265
    chrishicks

    chrishicks Tivo Junkie

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    so I just bought a My DVR Expander and my S3 will not recognize it. I've plugged and unplugged everything 10 times so far and nothing. I just get a "external storage not detected" message. I'm thinking my esata connector is dead too. i already have issues with my cable card slot 1 so why not this too...

    and yep, i trimmed back a bit of the shielding on the cable after the 2nd try. anyone else just not have any luck getting their tivo to recgnize the drive?
     
  13. Apr 9, 2008 #1193 of 10265
    richsadams

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    Assuming you followed the steps correctly (in the exact order)?

    1. Unplug TiVo
    2. Connect your expansion drive's eSATA cable to the enclosure and TiVo
    2. Plug your expansion drive in
    3. Plug TiVo in
    4. Follow the menu instructions

    AFAIK no one has ever reported a faulty eSATA connector on their TiVo (although that's not an impossibility) so the odds are that the cable is the problem. (There should be no need to trim the WD My DVR Expander cable BTW) Unfortunately there are numerous reports of the supplied cables being faulty or not working at all.

    You have a couple of choices. You can return the drive and get a new one (which will get you a new eSATA cable). Or you can order a new cable from the recommended list on the very first post on this thread (Section III, #26)...less than $10. This one works very well.

    IIRC there have also been two reports of the WD My DVR Expander arriving DOA and they had to be returned for a replacement.

    Best of luck and let us know how it goes.
     
  14. Apr 9, 2008 #1194 of 10265
    richsadams

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    It's not difficult and certainly not dangerous to upgrade your internal hard drive. If you've ever removed and replaced a hard drive in a PC, you can do it. ;) Read through the very first post on this thread...it should answer all of your questions.

    WinMFS is a terribly easy program to use. It can be downloaded at www.MFSLive.org.

    ilh is dead on...don't waste your time trying to marry your new drive as an eSATA drive. Just install your new drive internally and put your original drive on the shelf for safe keeping. If you find you need more than 144 hours of HD recording space, you can always add another 1TB drive later.

    That said, upgrading your internal drive will be a cinch since you don't need to do anything but copy the existing image to the new drive. It will take you longer to remove and replace the drive than running the actual program. I think it took me about 45 minutes all together. Now that I've done it once...it might take 15. :) Read the directions on this and the MFSLive site and if you still have questions, don't hesitate to ask! :up:
     
  15. Apr 9, 2008 #1195 of 10265
    worried12345

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    Thank you Rich! I'll go with the single drive solution. And since I already bought MX-1 enclosure (pretty good price), I'll use it as a Sata -> USB 2.0adapter (instead of buying another special one) and will keep it for future. I don't have any recording that I'd like or need to keep, so it looks like I can use this enclosure for a two-step process - 1. Connect the original TivoHD drive only (using MX-1) to the USB port on my PC externaly and back it up to the file using WinMSF; 2. Replace the original drive with the new WD 1TB drive (in the enclosure) and restore it from the file. Did I read it correctly? Thanks again.
     
  16. Apr 9, 2008 #1196 of 10265
    richsadams

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    That's the way to go! :up:

    P.S. Once you're finished, you can change your forum name to TiVoPro! ;)
     
  17. Apr 9, 2008 #1197 of 10265
    JohnnyO

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    Twin...
    That did the job. Thanks for the recommendation to try the BIOS option to emulate IDE.
     
  18. Apr 9, 2008 #1198 of 10265
    lrhorer

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    I would also recommend this solution for your situation.

    That might work. I'm not sure. As far as what to do with the MX-1, you could go ahead and use it for the 1TB main drive. It's what I'm doing on my TiVo HD. You'll just have to swap the SATA connectors on the motherboard inside the case.

    As long as the MX-1 will work as a SATA / USB adapater (I can't think why it wouldn't), this would work, but seriously, since a SATA / eSATA card for your PC like the one here can be had for $15, why waste the time and trouble? That especially if you might want to upgrade or hack your TiVo in the future.
     
  19. Apr 11, 2008 #1199 of 10265
    matt@thehickmans

    matt@thehickmans Hemo_jr

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    Any idea when TiVo will qualify drives other than the 500GB WD My DVR Expander? The lack of choice for the TiVo HD owner has resulted in essentially monopolistic pricing. I can now get two external 500GB drives for the price of one MyDVR Expander. And, I would like to get something bigger than a 500GB drive as well.

    From my perspective, the whole approach of TiVo in how it implemented and how it "qualifies" drives has been anti-competitive in effect. One way they can change this perception is to qualify more drives and more vendors.
     
  20. Apr 11, 2008 #1200 of 10265
    richsadams

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    IIRC there were a few posts a while back from people that had talked to both TiVo and Western Digital. Both made comments to the effect that a larger approved expansion drive may be available by "late 2008". Stocking stuffer?

    You're probably aware that you can add most any size expansion drive to a TiVo HD if you're willing to R&R the hard drive, connect it to your PC and run a simple program called WinMFS correct? If not the very first post on this thread walks you through the process.

    Most people have simply opted to replace their internal hard drive (using the same program) with a larger drive instead. It's quite easy to do, takes about 30 to 45 minutes if that, and it's much cheaper than buying external drives, etc.
     

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