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Drive Expansion and Drive Upgrade FAQ

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by bkdtv, Oct 19, 2007.

  1. Apr 4, 2008 #1161 of 10248
    rashid11

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    The stock setting was 256. Took a long while to get my SATA RAID controllers to emulate IDE (through BIOS settings) before the utility finally saw the drive.

    The drive is 1TB, from buy.com, CAIS01000. Don't have the exact model of the drive, as it is now inside of the TIVO, but it one of the 2 GP drives.
     
  2. Apr 4, 2008 #1162 of 10248
    ilh

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    That's the WD10EACS in retail packaging by Cavalry, not the V. I just installed the same in my THD.
     
  3. Apr 4, 2008 #1163 of 10248
    digi12digi

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    We should be concerned of the seek/read/write and startup power consumptions. 500gb seagate consumes 12.6w seek and 7.4w for the 1TB GP which adds up to exactly 20watts of seek power consumption. I guestimated a safer number of up to 35watts needed for startup power for both drives.

    Having the drives inside the tivohd suppresses the noise. Also, I am not literally hard mounting the GP on the case, but rather using double sided tapes which acts as a nice cushion. I have the seagate drive mounted where the original tivo drive were.

    About 3 years ago, I did the same thing of upgrading my philips directv box by adding 2 80gb drives inside. wow 160GB !!! :p One was mounted inside the bottom of the case as well and to this date I am still using the box as a standalone and I had no problems.

    When you use, if you use, double sided tapes, make sure you purchase heavy duty ones and also make sure you use enough tape to cover the whole drive. After that, apply a little pressure by putting couple of thick books for couple of hour, after all that, you will have hard time getting your drive out even if you wanted to. :D

    One note is that some drives have holes that you shouldnt cover, make sure not to tape them over.
     
  4. Apr 4, 2008 #1164 of 10248
    jlib

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    I can see how that would actually absorb sound. It will also have the effect of thermally insulating the drive, though. I guess the only way to know to what extent is to get a reading from the drive with an IR thermometer after running enclosed for a while.

    Another way of I have mounted drives in a TiVo in the past was to just glue four foam earplugs as legs on the drive and simply lay it on the mainboard wherever it would fit. Of course, this can't be used for a unit that is going to be transported but is perfectly fine for a installed and static TiVo.
     
  5. Apr 4, 2008 #1165 of 10248
    robostock

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    FWIW even after all the savings from buy.com I would NEVER buy anything from them again. I had to return my DOA WD AV-GP WD10EVCS and it has been a lesson in futility.

    As it was stated in a previous post, once the buy.com warehouse receives your drive, it takes about 10 business days from the time they (warehouse) receive it, to the time that the website shows that it has been returned.

    Once their website shows that it has been returned, you then have to wait 2-3 business days for them to process and ship it out and depending where you live, an additional 5-7 days for it to arrive.

    ETA you get it back to your front door: 1 month

    Worth the 5% or extra any other discount? For me, NEVER again. :(
     
  6. Apr 4, 2008 #1166 of 10248
    ilh

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    I'm glad I dealt with WD directly on my failed drive. With advance RMA (requiring credit card hold), I had my replacement drive in less than 48h. I then shipped the defective one back. I knew that dealing with buy.com would be a LOT slower than that.

    --Lee
     
  7. Apr 4, 2008 #1167 of 10248
    robostock

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    Now you tell me! :mad:

    Thanks for the heads up!! :rolleyes:
     
  8. Apr 5, 2008 #1168 of 10248
    Cmore32

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    TivoHD, 9.2, WD 160GB disk internal:
    Used WinMFS tool set (beta 8) to add a new Seagate DB35 750GB to my 2 week new system. Before using MFsadd, I ran the Backup Tivo Drive, Backup Bootpage, Backup Kernel, and saved the disk information.

    I connected the Tivo Disk and new disk via USB to my laptop running WinXP Pro. I used external eSata cases to power the disks (HP laptops are known to have weak USB ports so I did not use the eSata to USB converter as it appears to be powered by the USB port). The external disk is mounted in a Max 4 Thermaltake that can be found on Amazon for $52. This eSATA case includes both USB and a heavy duty 3 foot SATA cable with locking connectors. No need to buy another SATA cable! I actually purchased 2 cases in order to mount the Tivo's drive (I'll use it later for a new backup disk).

    After adding the external disk, the TivoHD does not show an 'External' disk, it just shows the increased recording capability. The TivoHD came with about 20HD hours of recording capability. After the upgrade, the system settings now show: 119 HD hours or 1127 SD hours.

    The Seagate 750 DB35 DVR drive pricing on Amazon is $193 to $238 Of course I paid the $238 before I found the lower price. These drives can be difficult to locate on Amazon. Just be careful to match the manufacturer's part number.

    The TivoHD is scheduled to be upgraded from 9.2 to 9.3 within the next 2 weeks. Hope all goes well.

    Cannot thank the authors of WinMFS enough!
     
  9. Apr 5, 2008 #1169 of 10248
    SupahDave

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    I have a Series 3 tivo with a 750gb Seagate drive external drive for expanded storage. The Seagate is beginning to fail and I wanted to know if anyone knows if it is possible to clone or copy this drive to a new hard drive and still use it with my current setup and not lose my programs? Any help would be greatly appreciated.
     
  10. Apr 5, 2008 #1170 of 10248
    cdeckert219

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    Similar for me... the drive arrived DOA. I returned quickly. Waiting, waiting. They were going to send a replacement, but they were out of stock. I had to go through PayPal to finally get some action. 2 weeks after they received the drive back I finally got a refund. Went to Fry's today and bought another 1TB for my 2nd new HD. This one is a Seagate. The Maxtor 1TB in my 1st Woot special has been working perfectly for 2 weeks now...quiet, also.
     
  11. Apr 5, 2008 #1171 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Welcome to the forum. Sorry it's under hardship circumstances.

    AFAIK no one has "cloned" their expansion drive for replacement. However since TiVo identifies eSATA drives by the model number, it's quite possible that if you copy the data to the same exact drive you may be able to "fool" TiVo into thinking it is the same one. You would need to ensure that after you unplug TiVo and your existing drive that you do not power TiVo up again until you have the new drive connected. If you go that route, please let us know what happens; it will be very valuable information.

    BTW, what leads you to believe that your Seagate drive is failing? Can you give us details?
     
  12. Apr 6, 2008 #1172 of 10248
    lrhorer

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    Ah! OK, then, it's possible there are thousands of upgraded Series III class TiVos out there. 'Certainly at least hundreds.
     
  13. Apr 6, 2008 #1173 of 10248
    lrhorer

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    Has anyone had any success upgrading a TiVo HD beyond 2.2TB using an eSATA RAID system?

    What about drives larger than 1TB? I read a report where Hitachi said they thought drives as large as 10TB might be available within the next 5 years. Has anyone seen any projections when a 1.5TB or 2TB drive might be released?
     
  14. Apr 6, 2008 #1174 of 10248
    ilh

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    Just an update. My WD RMA replacement WD10EACS has been going strong for 4 days now. The first was just a dud.

    It does make a bit more seek noise than the stock THD drive, but that is to be expected with 4 platters vs. 1.
     
  15. Apr 7, 2008 #1175 of 10248
    JohnnyO

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    Thanks. I've got two WD10EACS's scheduled to arrive tomorrow if I don't miss the FedEx truck, that is.
     
  16. Apr 7, 2008 #1176 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Good news! Congrats and thanks for the follow up! :up:
     
  17. Apr 7, 2008 #1177 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Let us know how your upgrade goes. :up: (TiVo HD or Series3, internal or external?)
     
  18. Apr 7, 2008 #1178 of 10248
    c3

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    Did you change the AAM setting?
     
  19. Apr 7, 2008 #1179 of 10248
    dwit

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    My Cavalry/WD10EACS purchased from Buy.com arrived in perfect, pristine condition.

    I first prepped and mounted it as an internal in my Tivo HD. It operated as internal perfectly. Just wanted to test it there first.

    It is now housed in the Antec MX1 case and operating perfectly as the external storage, married to the internal Hitachi Deskstar.

    I say everything went perfectly, but in reality, I could not adjust the aam with the Hitachi tools. Don't know why. I have used the tool successfully on a WD and Maxtor(pre SG) ide drives, but for some reason can't figure how to use it on either of my Tivo sata drives. Although I still cannot hear either as it is.
     
  20. Apr 7, 2008 #1180 of 10248
    ilh

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    Yes, using hdparm and the Hitachi tools, but I might pull the drive out to double check that the setting stuck. Every time I fired up the Hitachi tools it said AAM was off, so I have some doubts, but I am not familiar enough with them to know if they simply don't read the current state properly.
     

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