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Drive Expansion and Drive Upgrade FAQ

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by bkdtv, Oct 19, 2007.

  1. Apr 2, 2008 #1141 of 10248
    lrhorer

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    San...
    I wouldn't say, "Thousands." I doubt there are even 1000 different models of SATA drive out there. There may not even be 200 different models, especially if we limit the scope to drives larger than 160G. There are, however, quite a large number. I've used six different ones which worked and one which does not.
     
  2. Apr 2, 2008 #1142 of 10248
    lrhorer

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    San...
    Again, it's possible, but I doubt it. See my post above. Since the Hitachi 500 uses a bit more current on the 12V supply, this possibility was the first th9ng which crossed my mind. Powering the drive from an external supply eliminated that possibility. What's more, the WD 320 doesn't use any less current than the Hitachi, but it works just fine both powered from the TiVo P.S. or set up (as it is now) as an external drive.
     
  3. Apr 2, 2008 #1143 of 10248
    dwit

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    Just thousands of drives, of various makes and models, or thousands from a few makes and models. Basically, thousands of drives are being employed in these units.

    Sorry you misunderstood.
     
  4. Apr 2, 2008 #1144 of 10248
    JayBird

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    Ok, I got tired of waiting for the 1TB DB35.4 drives to appear on the scene, so I ordered a pair of 750GB DB35.3 drives (ST3750840SCE) from nowdirect.com for $149.99 each with free UPS ground shipping. That deal was too good to pass up...

    The drives arrived well packaged, with each drive surrounded by foam in it's own box inside the shipping box. As far as I'm concerned, this is the best way to package drives for shipping. Triple thumbs up for nowdirect.com.

    The upgrade went flawlessly using WinMFS. I picked up two of the recommended USB to SATA adapters, which I used to connect the original drive and one of the new drives to my computer. By using the USB adapters, I didn't have to shut down the computer at all during the upgrade process. The USB adapters performed plenty fast for me. I think the people who complained about slow performance using these adapters must have been using computers that don't support USB 2.0, in which case, it would certainly be substantially slower. It's also important when using the USB adapters to connect the drives directly to a USB port on your computer, not through a USB hub (which might not support USB 2.0), particularly not connecting both drives to the same USB hub, which would further cut the performance of the copy operation in half.

    I installed the 2nd drive into the recommended Antec MX-1 case, and then connected the MX-1 to the computer with a USB cable when it came time to marry it to the new A drive.

    Once done, I installed the new A drive in my TiVo HD in place of the original, and reinstalled it in my equipment rack, along with the external drive in the MX-1.

    It booted just fine the first time... with 198 HD hours!!! Much better than the 20 hours that you get with the original drive...

    Note that the eSATA cable that came with the MX-1 appears to work just fine.

    The only thing that I encountered when I first booted it up was the strange problem that people have been seeing as discussed in other threads on this forum (which can happen whether the TiVo has been upgraded or not, as I had it happen once when I first got my TiVo HD, long before I did the upgrade) where when selecting Live TV, you just get a black screen, and then once you go back to the menus, the background is also black.

    Rebooting my TiVo HD solved that problem. I assume that this wasn't related to or otherwise caused by the upgrade since I had seen it before (as have others).

    The whole process took about 2 1/2 hours from the time I started removing the TiVo HD from the equipment rack, until it was reinstalled and up and working. Can't beat that!

    Now it's time to call up Cox to send out a technician to install a cable card... Let's hope that I get someone competent...
     
  5. Apr 2, 2008 #1145 of 10248
    kaczmar2

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    AV-GP WD10EVCS or GP-WD10EACS

    Both are now $223 ($211 with %5 off coupon) at buy.com.

    So, price not factoring in, which would you choose, understanding that Tivo doesn't use the special dvr features of the av series (SilkStream, etc.)

    Is there any advantage of one drive over the other (besides which one is in stock :)
     
  6. Apr 2, 2008 #1146 of 10248
    ilh

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    I would likely buy the EVCS if the price increment was small, which it is currently. Honestly, I seriously doubt there is any advantage to it in a TiVo at this time.

    An update to my EACS saga... I have the warranty replacement drive in hand and am running a second round of long tests. The full surface write test succeeded this afternoon, and I'm following up with the full surface read test and will then check raw SMART status afterwards. If successful, it is going in the TiVo tonight. I hope this one lasts longer than 48 hours.

    I do have to give WD credit for a very quick warranty replacement. I did the "advance" RMA, which requires a credit card. They ship immediately and put a hold (for a ridiculous list price of $360, nearly double what I payed) on the card and will charge if they don't receive the bad drive back within 30 days. They shipped the replacement UPS 2-day air.
     
  7. Apr 2, 2008 #1147 of 10248
    jlib

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    Yes, with the WD10EVCS you can skip the acoustic management step using a utility such as Hitachi Feature Tool. It is already as quiet as possible. It is also more compatible for internal use in the S3. So, if they are the same price or if you have an S3 then go with that model.
     
  8. Apr 2, 2008 #1148 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Excellent wrtie-up and congrats on your new, much larger recording space! :up:

    BTW, you are correct, the "black screen" issue has been seen even with the approved My DVR Expander.

    Thanks again for the post and enjoy! :up:
     
  9. Apr 2, 2008 #1149 of 10248
    richsadams

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    +1 :up:

    Plus the current GP-WD10EACS is not compatible as an internal upgrade for the Series3.

    The WD AV-GP WD10EVCS would be the way to go for any and every TiVo Series3, TiVo HD internal upgrade and expansion drive application going forward IMHO.
     
  10. Apr 3, 2008 #1150 of 10248
    rashid11

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    Success story to report : WD10EVCS in Tivo HD. I had some faint clicking (head actuator) noises coming out of the Tivo after the upgrade. So I got the Hitachi utility and adjusted AAM down to 128. Much quieter now. Buy.com - it took 10 days for the drive to show up. All the while their system was showing the drive as "sent to warehouse".
     
  11. Apr 3, 2008 #1151 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Welcome to the forum. :up:

    It's interesting (and valuable info) that you had to adjust the AAM as I would have thought that the WD AV GP drives would already have been tweaked to the lowest setting. Do you remember where it was set before you reduced it to 128?

    Also, what size drive is it and did you happen to write down the full model number?

    Congrats on a job well done!
     
  12. Apr 3, 2008 #1152 of 10248
    ilh

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    I haven't seen a recent WD drive that would take an acoustic setting other than 128 or 254, including the WD1600AVBS (7200rpm DVR-specific drive) that comes in the THD. I did find the stock drive set to quiet or 128.

    --Lee
     
  13. Apr 3, 2008 #1153 of 10248
    richsadams

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    My experience as well.
     
  14. Apr 3, 2008 #1154 of 10248
    digi12digi

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    I was able to install 1TB WD Green - wd10eacs(OEM) as an internal SATA and Seagate 500MB as an external SATA on my TivoHD.

    But I would like to share that both drives are inside the TivoHD. I spliced the power for both drives and affixed the 2nd drive to the inside cover of tivo by using heavy duty double tapes.

    It is working quite well and having both drives inside the tivo helps with the noise levels as well.

    Temperature levels are quite low since the outer casing of tivo helps dissipate the heat coming off the drive.

    I must admit it took me couple of days to get it working... And I just couldnt get the 1TB use as the external drive. Tivo would keep rebooting at welcome powering up screen.
     
  15. Apr 3, 2008 #1155 of 10248
    jlib

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    Carmel...
    Your experience implies that it is probably a good idea to run the Feature Tool on the WD10EVCS to verify or edit the AAM. I stand corrected.

    Edit: It is later noted that the drive in question is actually the WD10EACS not the WD10EVCS as claimed so original comment holds.
     
  16. Apr 3, 2008 #1156 of 10248
    digi12digi

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    I just used a regular SATA cable plugged in to the second port reserved for external drive and attached it to the 2nd drive inside the tivo. It is ideal to use short high quality SATA cable.

    I guess to make this setup better, SATA over IP anyone? :cool::D
     
  17. Apr 3, 2008 #1157 of 10248
    jlib

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    Carmel...
    That is a very creative approach and it implies that the power supply is robust enough for two drives (or at least those two drives). Odd that the WD10EACS was not happy on the "external" port, though. Congratulations on a successful upgrade.!
     
  18. Apr 3, 2008 #1158 of 10248
    digi12digi

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    Thank you... 1.5TB... Now off to getting all my favorite movies in HD on to Tivo.

    Yup - that worried me as well that the psu would not be sufficient enough for both drives which would cause tivo to act erratic and quirky. So far havent noticed anything out of the blue. Nothing I havent seen before the upgrade.

    Green WD uses 5watts less than a regular Hard drive (5400 to 7200rpms) which consumes betw 20 to 35watts. I had hoped that Tivo would built a PSU with a buffer protection of more then that.

    We shall see the long term effects... It has been a week so far.
     
  19. Apr 3, 2008 #1159 of 10248
    ilh

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    The stock THD drive is a WD1600AVBS that is 7200rpm and uses 6.2W idle and 6.6W read/write. A GP 1TB uses 4.0W and 7.4W, respectively. I'm not sure where you're getting 20-35W for a regular drive or 5W of savings.

    Doesn't hard mounting the Seagate, which has no AAM, to the case itself make a lot of noise? In my experience, Seagates are relatively noisy. Even the 160GB DB35 that was in the Verizon Moto DVR I had for a month was quite noisy (could hear seeks across the room when TV was off).

    It is an interesting idea squeezing two drives in, but I'd be concerned about noise and the prospect of the drive falling onto the motherboard and shorting things out with the way you've mounted it.

    --Lee
     
  20. Apr 3, 2008 #1160 of 10248
    DallasFlier

    DallasFlier HONESTY is nice...

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    How/where does one get the 5% off coupon you mention? BTW, the EVCS shows out of stock at the moment, but they're accepting orders, so hopefully in soon.

    EDIT: Nevermind, quick google search found the coupon.
     

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