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Drive Expansion and Drive Upgrade FAQ

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by bkdtv, Oct 19, 2007.

  1. Mar 31, 2008 #1121 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Okay. When you said "eSata USB cable" in your post I assumed it was capable of both (having a USB as well as an eSATA connector). If you can switch to the eSATA connector you'll eliminate the loose connection problem. But if it's USB only, then another cable would be in order if WD won't come to the rescue.
     
  2. Mar 31, 2008 #1122 of 10248
    jlb

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    WD says no way since I am out of warranty. No biggie. The cables at monoprice are very well priced. 6 foot would be fine, but 10 foot may give me room to place the drive in a different spot.

    Thanks for your help!


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    What's weird is that when it connects back, sometimes I get the "This device would perform faster in USB 2.0 port" or whatever. But it is going right into the back USB ports on the PC. This tends to tell me, combined with my problem per se, that maybe it is in fact the cable.

    Anyways, just ordered a 10 foot cable from monoprice.
     
  3. Mar 31, 2008 #1123 of 10248
    JayBird

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    With all this talk about lousy eSATA cables, I was wondering what people's experience has been with the eSATA cable that comes with the Antec MX-1. Is the included cable OK, or will I need to order a different cable?
     
  4. Mar 31, 2008 #1124 of 10248
    richsadams

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    I bought an MX-1 back in March or so when it was discovered that you could add an expansion drive to Series3's using KS62. The cable it came with worked flawlessly until I removed it and installed a 1TB internal drive last October.

    There were a flurry of reports of the eSATA cable Antec was sending out with the MX-1 as being faulty last summer though. That seemed to last about 45 to 60 days and then it died down. I attributed it to the sudden demand for the enclosures (everyone ran out of them for a few weeks) to Antec sourcing some poor quality cables at the time. IIRC anyone that had a problem was taken care of by Antec right away to their credit.

    I don't recall seeing any complaints about the MX-1 or the eSATA cable that comes with it for several months now. Based on that the eSATA cable that Antec supplies with their MX-1 enclosures should work fine now IMHO, but YMMV of course. If you're worried you could always buy one of the SIIG cables and keep one or the other in a drawer JIC.
     
  5. Mar 31, 2008 #1125 of 10248
    logicman1

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    I got my MX-1 back in January but opted to use the SIIG cable so I never tried the Antec supplied cable. The only physical difference I could see was the portion of the connectors on the SIIG cable measured from the shoulder to the end of the metallic part were a bit longer than on the Antec supplied cable.

    In looking at all the discussion of eSata cables it appears that the eSata connector on the S3 may not be quite standard. Could this explain why the SIIG cables got on the recommended list?
     
  6. Mar 31, 2008 #1126 of 10248
    kuokuo

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    I have a tivo-hd refurb from woot. I first upgraded to a 500gb Seagate 7200.10. Worked/works great. Then I saw the deal at buy.com for the 1gb WD gp drive. After upgrading using winmfs, the tivo hd crashed after a day and went into an infinite loop of powering up, few minutes screen, gsod and back to powering up -- all in the a 5 min span. Then, I tried a 750gb Seagate 7200.10. That crashed and did the infinite loop in about an hour. I also tried a Fry's Maxtor Basics 1Tb drive with 32mb cache. That also crashed and went into the infinite loop after one day. Now, I'm waiting on a Seagate 750gb DB35 to see how it works.

    Note: using winmfs, I tried restoring from a truncated backup of the 500 gb drive and mfscopy of the 500gb. Supersize option on. I also tested the 1TB drives with WD diagnostics and both passed using extended tests.
     
  7. Mar 31, 2008 #1127 of 10248
    rlawlis

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    Has anyone had success w/ the WD5000AVVS or 7500AVVS?
     
  8. Mar 31, 2008 #1128 of 10248
    RayHs

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    I'm wondering if some of these boot up issues may be the Tivo power supply not being able to provide enough power for the hard drive especially during the drive's initial spin-up when it draws more power. It's hard to believe that it would be so picky with drives that use a standard protocol.

    Maybe a cap upgrade on the power supply will make things more stable in general.
     
  9. Mar 31, 2008 #1129 of 10248
    dwit

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    But there are thousands of other drives of this size, in all other makes and models, that the Tivos are successfully employing?
     
  10. Mar 31, 2008 #1130 of 10248
    kuokuo

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    Perhaps the refurbs are not up to the same quality of the normal tivo hds? I mean, they may work with the stock drives, but when pushing the power supply, some may just crap out?
     
  11. Mar 31, 2008 #1131 of 10248
    chewy2314

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    I have a refurb woot.com THD and didn't have any luck with the desktop 500Gb and 750Gb versions of the WD GP drives. I want to say it has something to do with the firmware (WD can then charge more for an "AV" version!). I have no issues with the Samsung F1 750Gb. BTW, (out of stock of course), zipzoomfly had them for $118 + shipping.
     
  12. Mar 31, 2008 #1132 of 10248
    kuokuo

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    Yea, if the seagate db 35, I'll look at the F1. I'm also thinking of getting an esata case and testing the power supply theory...
     
  13. Mar 31, 2008 #1133 of 10248
    jlib

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    Note that that Vantec card from Tiger is an old design and only supports the original 1.5Gb/sec SATA spec and has no eSATA port on it, just a regular SATA port on the outside and one on the inside. Will work fine with a bare drive.
     
  14. Mar 31, 2008 #1134 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Good points, thanks! :up:
     
  15. Mar 31, 2008 #1135 of 10248
    JohnnyO

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    After your failures, are you able to successfully put the 500 Gb drive back in the TiVo and use it?

    -- just curious if some latest problem has cropped up in your TiVo unit.
     
  16. Mar 31, 2008 #1136 of 10248
    kuokuo

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    Clentz

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    I have posted before that the earlier pleminary Esata spec had a shorter connector. (The later TIVO is correct)
    Also, I believe that longer than one meter cable length is unwise. (I had problems with a two meter cable even though it was certified Esata 2)
    Carl
     
  18. Mar 31, 2008 #1138 of 10248
    jlib

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    Ah, so that's why there are still so many cables around that just don't work well.
     
  19. Apr 1, 2008 #1139 of 10248
    kuokuo

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    okay, I have the 1TB maxtor in a kingwin esata enclosure hooked up to the tivo hd with the seagate 500gb. We'll see how it goes...
     
  20. Apr 2, 2008 #1140 of 10248
    lrhorer

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    While it is possible this could be the case for some drives, I know for an absolute fact it is not the case for every incompatible drive. I have a stock S3 with an external Seagate Barracuda 750G drive that has been performing flawlessly for well over a year. Then about a year ago I bought a Weaknees 1T S3 and added a Hitachi Deskstar 1T in June. It also has performed swimmingly. A few months ago, however, I purchased a stock TiVo HD and wanted to upgrade it with a 500G hard drive, so I bought a Hitachi Deskstar 500G and used WinMFS to copy the data from the stock 160G drive to the 500. Nothing - and I mean nothing - would induce the TiVo HD to boot from that drive. It would POST and bring up the TiVo sunrise, then it would sit there apparently doing nothing for about a minute, and finally it would reboot and start all over again. No GSOD, and the /var partition was never mounted. I have no reason to believe it even loaded the bootstrap or the OS. Using an external power supply made no difference, and neither did changing any of the boot parms. It was late Sunday night, and the only store selling large hard drives that late around here was Wal-Mart, so I drove over to Wal-Mart and bought a 320G Western Digital drive. It worked just great, and now it sits in an Antec MX-1 housing booting the TiVo. The original stock drive sits unpowered bolted inside the TiVo HD for safekeeping. The 500G Hitachi is attached to a multi-boot box used to access my corporate VPN, play music, and maintain TiVos. It's never hiccoughed even once despite heavy use.
     

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