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Drive Expansion and Drive Upgrade FAQ

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by bkdtv, Oct 19, 2007.

  1. Mar 26, 2008 #1081 of 10248
    richsadams

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    AFAIK, there's no reason WD/TiVo won't have a 1TB drive available one of these days. WD says "late 2008" whatever that may mean. So if you can survive with what you have you should be fine.

    On the other hand, WinMFS is a real no-brainer and very, very easy to use. Our 1TB drive functions perfectly and all of our settings (SP's, WL's, etc.) transferred over just fine...including the cable card settings. So if you get antsy, give it a go. Worst case scenario is that if you somehow by some freak chance manage to muck things up (and I honestly don't know how anyone could), you can just reinstall your original drive and you're back to square one, no harm done.
     
  2. Mar 26, 2008 #1082 of 10248
    sga000

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    I have a 1TB WD10EVCS drive coming from Buy.com (it has been 8 days, FedEx was supposed to deliver yesterday, but it didn't...the usual screw-ups...they can't give me any more info yet).

    I wasn't sure whether I wanted to do internal or external expansion, so I decided to prepare for both ways. (In the meantime, I've decided on internal, based on good advice in this thread). So I just received an Antec MX-1, which was at a very good price at Amazon after rebate. My thinking was that even if I didn't use it now, it may come in handy later, and I will have only spent about $17 on it.

    I also got a Vantec sata-to-usb adapter since I have a laptop and thought I'd need that for the backup/restore procedure. But here is my question. Now that I received it, it see that the Antec MX-1 has both a SATA cable, which I cannot use to connect to my laptop, and a USB-to-USB cable, which seems like it would connect to my laptop. So could I have only ordered the Antec MX-1, connected it to my laptop with the USB cable, and run the backup/restore procedure, and thus, I didn't need the sata-to-usb adapter at all?
     
  3. Mar 26, 2008 #1083 of 10248
    dwit

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    Yes. The enclosue and adapter do essentially the same thing as far as communicating with the pc.

    I ordered the same enclosure and drive. Received the enclosure today. Still waiting for drive to ship.
     
  4. Mar 26, 2008 #1084 of 10248
    sga000

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    I had assumed that the Antec MX-1 would NOT work for hooking up to my laptop. That's because the instructions under III. 30. in the first post say:

    "You can open your computer and connect it with a SATA cable, or you can connect it externally with a SATA->USB adapter".

    Of course, they are not specifically talking about a laptop. But if the Antec MX-1 (or other enclosure) would have been acceptable for attaching to a PC or laptop and performing the instructions in III. 30., I would have thought those instructions would have said so. Maybe those instructions assume that we know more than we do!
     
  5. Mar 26, 2008 #1085 of 10248
    richsadams

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    As dwit points out, your MX-1 should do the trick. However IIRC, there was at least one report of someone that tried that and ended up using a SATA/USB adapter because his laptop didn't recognize the SATA drive with an external enclosure...can't remember if it was an MX-1 or not.

    Bottom line is that it will either work or it won't...your laptop (using WinMFS) will either recognize the drive or it won't. If it doesn't you may need to use your adapter. If it does, hopefully you can return your extra adapter for a refund. ;)
     
  6. Mar 26, 2008 #1086 of 10248
    Gregor

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    FYI, I picked up the 1TB Hitachi Cinemastar at Newegg for $249.99 +$7 three day shipping.
     
  7. Mar 27, 2008 #1087 of 10248
    robostock

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    I received my 1TB WD10EVCS from buy.com last week and when I went to install it it was DOA. Also, tried 2 different PC and my S3, all with no luck. Even tried it in the MX-1 case using USB and SATA.

    I sent in back on 3/24 via UPS with a ETA at buy.com of 3/31! :eek:

    They WILL not ship me another until they receive the one back!! :thumbsdown:

    I've had a few things that were defective from Amazon and they sent me a replacement right away. One time they shipped it next day air at their expense!

    The other minor gripe I have with buy.com was the way they shipped the HD. Just in a card board box stuffend into a bubble wrap envelope. The cardboard package did not have any padding between it and the drive and the bubble envelope was on the thin side.

    I did call buy.com and requested my replacement drive be packaged with additional packing material.

    After talking to the international CS rep, I did not feel confident this is going to happen.
     
  8. Mar 27, 2008 #1088 of 10248
    paulrangel

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    I bought a 500gb Seagate Freeagent Pro from staples.com. I thought an esata upgrade was possible just by plug and play, but it wasn't as easy. First off the Freeagent drive didn't come with an esata cable. I bought an SII from amazon.com and that cost me $20. For 50 bucks more I could have bought a DVR expander and saved myself a headache.

    I pulled the internal drive from my Tivo and hooked it up to my PC with a Bytecc sata>usb adapter in Windows XP. And I also hooked up the Freeagent using the supplied usb cable. Ran mfs and married the 2 drives (which ironically takes only a split second.) Put the drives back and now my Tivo HD has 86HD hours.
     
  9. Mar 27, 2008 #1089 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Excellent price on a very high quality product...about $150 less than it was only a couple of months ago! Nice find. :up:
     
  10. Mar 27, 2008 #1090 of 10248
    richsadams

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    How aggravating! :mad: Although I've never used them, I've read a few other posts from buy.com satisfied customers here. Hopefully they aren't going downhill and this was a one-time experience. Thanks for that and keep us posted on how they behave going forward.
     
  11. Mar 27, 2008 #1091 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Welcome to the forum. :up:

    It always pays to do a little research before diving into some things. The very first post on this sticky thread is pretty clear about what will work with what...and what won't. Glad to hear that you were able to get it sorted out though. Thanks for the post, enjoy your new real estate and let us know how it performs.
     
  12. Mar 27, 2008 #1092 of 10248
    ilh

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    That is pretty typical in the industry, for example NewEgg does the same. If you're willing to buy another one you could likely have them ship right away and then refund the original one when it arrives, but I understand not wanting to do that.

    I've got my fingers crossed my Buy.com WD10EACS arrives operational today. It is "out for delivery" this morning.
     
  13. Mar 27, 2008 #1093 of 10248
    robostock

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    Let us know how everything works out, especially how it was packed.
     
  14. Mar 27, 2008 #1094 of 10248
    JayBird

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    Anybody got info on when the 1TB Seagate DB35.4 drives will start shipping? When they were announced last fall, they were supposed to ship in the first quarter of 2008. Since we are rapidly approaching the end of the first quarter, I keep waiting to see when these drives become available, but so far there's no signs of these drives shipping yet. If it's only going to be another month, I'll keep waiting. If it's going to be another 6 months, I'll go with the Hitachi from NewEgg.
     
  15. Mar 27, 2008 #1095 of 10248
    RayHs

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    I got mine yesterday. It came in a generic brown box and the drive was fitted with foam caps on the ends centering the drive in the box. Fairly standard for drive packaging. Haven't had a chance to do the install yet.
     
  16. Mar 28, 2008 #1096 of 10248
    c3

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    Silicon...
    The WD drive in the last couple of messages is NOT a bare drive packed by buy.com. It's pre-packaged by Cavalry.
     
  17. Mar 28, 2008 #1097 of 10248
    ilh

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    I finished installing last night and it went well. The drive test took about 4:15, and the mfscopy in WinMFS took about 0:40 for my nearly full 160GB. It cold booted up fine in my THD, but I haven't tried soft rebooting yet.
     
  18. Mar 28, 2008 #1098 of 10248
    sga000

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    My WD10EVCS arrived 2 days late yesterday from Buy.com through FedEx. That was not a fun experience, but let's get on to more interesting things.

    It came in a brown box with some heavy cellophane holding it tightly to part of the inside of the box. There were about 2 extra inches of packaging all around. Then the box was enclosed in a flimsy shipping envelope. I have seen no problems with the drive since, but unfortunately, I didn't think about running any diagnostics on the drive before installing.

    My procedure went fairly smoothly. I used the Vantec ISATAU2 sata-to-usb adapter, and it worked well. I did the backup, which took about 7 minutes. I had deleted everything except 24 hours of "Recently Deleted". Thus, after doing the restore, which took about 4 minutes, my hours available/in use were not quite understandable when I looked at them through the "misc" tab of MFSINFO. That was no problem though, because I just got rid of them after I booted the new drive (unnecessary, but just for cleanliness). The system information now shows 144 HD hours and almost 1368 SD. So nice!

    Here's where I had a minor problem. I did the backup and restore separately, i.e. with only one drive hooked up to my laptop at a time. When I was ready to do the restore, WinMFS would not show the new drive so that I could select it. I attached it exactly in the same way as I had done with the old drive, which had showed up available to be selected immediately. Even though I didn't think it would make a difference, I rebooted Windows XP and tried again to no avail. Then, for no good reason, I checked the "show mounted drive" box, and then it displayed in the "A" box! Then, I unchecked the box and it remained visible. In the description for the drive, it even said it was "unmounted", which is what I expected. So it makes absolutely no sense to me that checking that box helped it show up for selection. I suppose it's possible that there was some delay in it becoming available through USB, and the box checking was just coincidental, but I do not believe this is the case. That's because I had waited the appropriate time and had heard the sounds for when a USB device has been attached and activated. Anyway, from that point on, the restore went without incident. I've read this thread, and I don't remember anyone mentioning this before, but if they have, sorry to repeat it here.

    I did not do the Hitachi procedure to change the noise level because I have a laptop and was using USB to talk to the drive, and from reading here, I believe I would not have had access to USB when doing that procedure. The drive is making a small amount of noise, but I am usually 15 feet away, and it will not be a problem. Unfortunately, I didn't listen closely enough when the original drive was there, so I can't compare how it sounds now with how it was before.

    Thanks for all the great advice on this thread.
     
  19. Mar 28, 2008 #1099 of 10248
    robostock

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    That's the way mine was shipped.

    Is this the way all WD10EVCS are shipped?

    I'm glad your drive is working! I hope my replacement will be a working drive.
    Unfortunately, today when I checked the buy.com website and they are out of stock! :eek:
     
  20. Mar 28, 2008 #1100 of 10248
    chewy2314

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    Hey Congrats! I couldn't get the 750Gb or 500Gb working in my THD. Eventually, I got the Samsung F1 750Gb instead. So far, no random reboots. Only BSOD while testing the output resolution.
     

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