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Drive Expansion and Drive Upgrade FAQ

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by bkdtv, Oct 19, 2007.

  1. Mar 18, 2008 #1021 of 10248
    b_scott

    b_scott TiVo Fan

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    nothing works as external without hacking, except the MyDVR WD 500GB drive.
     
  2. Mar 18, 2008 #1022 of 10248
    chf

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    That's true. I was more interested if anyone had any experience with the Cavalry product.
    The price is really cheap, so I tend to distrust it.

    Thanks!
     
  3. Mar 18, 2008 #1023 of 10248
    MungoJerrie

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    Check the latest (3/13) review on buy.com - poster says it's been running great in a TivoHD for over a month! YMMV
     
  4. Mar 18, 2008 #1024 of 10248
    chf

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    Thanks, I missed that one. I only saw SA and DirectTV ones when I scanned the reviews.
     
  5. Mar 18, 2008 #1025 of 10248
    dwit

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    I'm really considering this drive. Especially with the extra $20 Google check out discount some have received(linked to email address). Seems like no matter how much space I have, I still want more.

    Also picked up the Antec MX1 enclosure for $47 - $30 = $17AR for when/if the Cavalry enclosure dies.

    Anyone know the exact total supersized capacity of a Tivo HD with 1TB internal and 1 TB external? SD and HD?
     
  6. Mar 18, 2008 #1026 of 10248
    Eccles

    Eccles Mostly harmless

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    Exactly one sh1tload!

    Seriously though, the capacity varies with the material recorded - there is no exact number.
     
  7. Mar 18, 2008 #1027 of 10248
    cab2

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    Has anyone else noticed a decrease in their available recording hours as shown on the info screen when you have an external drive attached?

    I have a FAP 500 drive attached to my tivo. I don't remember the exact numbers, but I think the info screen used to show something on the order of 70 some hours of HD possible. I notice this week, it's showing 32 hours of HD possible. I know the 32 is not right? But I also seem to have less recordings than before. I think something changed between last Thursday or Friday, and now. Maybe it's just me, but wondering if anyone else has experianced this. I did do a reboot of the tivo and FAP with no change in the reported capacity.

    tia
    cab
     
  8. Mar 18, 2008 #1028 of 10248
    dwit

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    Thanks. Not too helpful. I guess I should have phrased it, the "exact reported maximum capacity".

    Anyone else know the reported, maximum capacities?

    Just curious. A 1 TB internal is 1368/144 SD/HD.

    So with external added, it will probably be a little more than double. I've seen it mentioned here in the forums before.
     
  9. Mar 18, 2008 #1029 of 10248
    sga000

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    I have a 1TB disk ordered, and I was thinking I'd use it internally. Now I'm not sure, I may want to use it as esata, and I wanted to see if I understand this correctly. I want to be sure that picking one way over the other doesn't preclude changing my mind.

    If I do the internal way first and change my mind later, is it just a matter of removing that new drive from the Tivo box, getting the old drive off the shelf, then doing the esata expansion procedure as originally described in the first post? I'm not concerned about losing any programs that might be on the new drive.

    Vice versa, if I do the esata expansion first and change my mind later, could I just disconnect the esata drive (and confirm that I really want to do this when Tivo asks me), then go through the steps in the first post for doing the backup/restore from the original to the new? Again, no worries about existing programs.

    It's a little hard for me to make this choice. I hate giving up the extra space, but on the other hand, I like not having an extra box hanging outside the Tivo. If I can change my mind later, it would make me not worry as much about which way I pick here at the start.
     
  10. Mar 18, 2008 #1030 of 10248
    ThAbtO

    ThAbtO TiVoholic by the bay

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  11. Mar 18, 2008 #1031 of 10248
    dwit

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    Seen better. Wouldn't really want to deal with a place that charges $29.15 for shipping. They even charge an additional $5 for insurance. I'd certainly check the ratings on this vendor.

    Subtotal: 215.00
    Shipping: 29.10
    Tax: 0.00
    Total: 244.10
     
  12. Mar 19, 2008 #1032 of 10248
    dwit

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    You can always change you mind later and just go back to the original drive.

    If you have the S3 model, I believe you can avoid opening the Tivo or bothering with a pc by merely adding the drive as an eSATA. Of course you could also prep the new drive in a pc and install internally (except the known problematic WD 00JB model).

    If you have the Tivo HD, since however you would use the new drive, you would have to connect both drives to the pc to prepare the new drive, you may as well install the new drive internally. You would then just shelve the original drive. You could reinstall the original drive anytime to restore the Tivo to it's original condition at any time.

    So for the Tivo HD, the decision is easy; internal.

    If you have the S3 and don't want much bother; external.
     
  13. Mar 19, 2008 #1033 of 10248
    sga000

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    Thanks, dwit. I forgot to mention that I have Tivo HD. Mostly, I just wanted to be sure I could always choose the other method, no matter which one I choose first.

    I can see what you mean about the Tivo HD decision being easier because the Tivo has to be opened regardless. But that means sacrificing that extra space on the original disk. I guess no one worries about that small amount. Of course, I suppose I could always put the original disk in an esata enclosure and attach it externally to get that extra space, right? Is there any reason that this would be a "better order", i.e. the 1TB disk internal and the original disk external, rather than the original internal and the 1TB external? If I decided I didn't like having an external drive later, I could always disconnect the smaller external, and still have the big one internal, without any reopening of the box. Have I said anything incorrect here?

    Oh, I think you may say that I will have messed up the original by using it as an external, and it's a good idea to keep it as a backup with no changes.
     
  14. Mar 19, 2008 #1034 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Your best bet is to install the 1TB disk internally and shelve the original as dwit suggests unless you really need that "extra" 20 HD hour capacity. No matter how you look at it, adding another drive to the mix also adds another potential failure point.

    Once you've upgraded the internal drive on a TiVo HD (or a Series3) you'll need to run WinMFS to marry any expansion drive to the internal drive. That involves removing the upgraded internal drive, connecting it to a PC along with the expansion drive and correctly configuring the two drives. IMHO if you have to go through that trouble later, it makes more sense to use something larger than a 160GB drive. In addition, you are correct...if you use the existing internal drive as an external drive you can no longer use it as an internal drive again without re-imaging it either with the original files or Instant Cake.

    Plus if you used the original drive as an external drive and, as you suggest, decide that you don't like it and disconnect it, you will lose all of the existing recordings on your TiVo.

    I agree with everyone else; keep it simple and go with the 1TB internal (and yes, put your original drive on the shelf). If that's not enough space for you buy another 1TB expansion drive later...when they're even cheaper. :up:
     
  15. Mar 19, 2008 #1035 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Your link is for the older WD10EACS which is only applicable for use as an internal or expansion drive in the TiVo HD or as an expansion drive for the Series3. It will not work as an internal hard drive upgrade in the Series3 due to a soft reboot failure issue.

    The recommended drive on this thread's first post is Western Digital's AV-GP WD10EVCS DVR dedicated hard drive - for all TiVo HD and Series3 internal upgrade and expansion drive applications. At the current price of $244.99 w/free shipping from buy.com it's a better deal.
     
  16. Mar 19, 2008 #1036 of 10248
    jlib

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    The decision is easy. No one regrets doing the internal upgrade first. Many regret doing the external upgrade first (because they will lose their recordings if they subsequently upgrade the internal drive). So, get the very largest drive you can afford, even if it is bigger than you think you need, and replace the internal drive. Still not enough space? No problem, just add an external drive.
     
  17. Mar 19, 2008 #1037 of 10248
    robostock

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    I'm about upgrade my S3 with the WD AV-GP WD10EVCS and was reading the excellent directions by BKDTV. :up:

    Maybe those who have upgrade their internal S3 can clarify a few questions I have. In the directions it states:

    Is this a large file? Is the file size direct reflection of the amount of space taken by your stock drive? For example if your drive is 90% full, will the file be about 225GB?

    and this one


    If the "Source Drive is A" and the new drive is "Destination Drive A" how can the source and destination be both A? :confused:

    I'm sure the directions are correct but I just need a little bit of clarification.

    Thank you for your support!
     
  18. Mar 19, 2008 #1038 of 10248
    robostock

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    This makes a lot of sense. I was going to upgrade externally for the ease of it and the few extra hours of space. But, what won me over to upgrading the internal instead of externally was:

    1. I would lose my recodings when the time comes to upgrade/replace the stock internal. (Since the internal is MARRIED to any external HD.)
    2. Having a working spare JIC of any problems in the future.
    3. If I need to add more space, I can always add an external.

    Thanks again!
     
  19. Mar 19, 2008 #1039 of 10248
    richsadams

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    The backup files are not large, IIRC, only a few MB's. They only contain the basic info for your TiVo's OS, SP's, WL's, etc. They do not contain your recordings. The backup step is optional. If you're going to put your original TiVo drive on the shelf (recommended) you don't have to keep a separate set of files because they are on the original drive of course. It's just good practice to backup all files whatever you're doing.

    "Source" and "destination" are common terms, the drive letter doesn't matter. If you were creating multiple copies of a single drive you'd have "Source drive A" and "Destination drives A, B, C, etc."

    The program is very simple and quick to use, have no fear. Don't forget to turn on "supersize" and enjoy all of that the new space! ;)
     
  20. Mar 19, 2008 #1040 of 10248
    tivorepo

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    To upgrade the TivoHD internally or externally (using the hack) one must open the case which immediately voids the warranty (unless you use the Tivo certified "WD My DVR Expander").

    Since the warranty is voided either way isn't it just less hassle to install internally? The only minor disadvantage is slightly less space because you are using only one drive instead of two (the original internal plus the new external).

    Can I just order a drive and make a final decision later? Will the 1TB Western Digital WD10EVCS work on the TivoHD internally or externally all the same? (with the Antec MX-1)

    I hope this is not a rehash of the last few posts but I just want to verifiy what I think you guys are saying.
     

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