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Drive Expansion and Drive Upgrade FAQ

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by bkdtv, Oct 19, 2007.

  1. Mar 16, 2017 #10301 of 10306

    thomb Member

    Jan 22, 2008
    Mill Creek, WA
    My preventative maintenance project is over and was a resounding success. My story...
    I've had 2 lifetime TivoHD (TCD652160) units since 2007, both fully ummmm "altered". In other words they've got a lot of value - sentimental and a fair amount of dollar value (especially for 10 year old units). They've never had a problem, and I intend to keep it that way. I last upgraded the drives ~6 years ago, so they were overdue for replacing. 2-3 weeks ago I accepted the upgrade to 11.0n.K1 and reapplied my alterations.

    I was browsing craigslist and bought 2 more TivoHD units (no subscriptions) for parts - $10 per unit, and the seller threw in a wireless Tivo adapter and a Series 2 Tivo. $20 well spent. I knew I could cannibalize the units and keep my workhorses alive. Tested both units Saturday and
    - Unit A works perfectly. No issues.
    - Unit B powers up to the first screen "powering up" or whatever it says. After the 1st logo screen the screen goes blank and it never gets to the "Just a few more minutes" screen. I guess the power supply needs new capacitors even though they weren't bulging / leaking.
    - Series 2 is still waiting for some attention. I don't know what I'm going to do with it yet.

    That got me motivated to learn how to solder :). Believe it or not my old tivos are still rocking their original power supplies with no bulging caps, so I never had to operate on them. Yesterday my order arrived with my replacement caps (for all 4 units), and soldering iron. I ham handed my way through replacing the caps on the "bad" power supply from Unit B and put it back in the tivo. Unfortunately the unit still doesn't get past the first screen and goes blank. I figure my carpet bombing soldering fried the power supply. So I swap power supplies with unit A & B and it turns out that the Tivo power supply is VERY forgiving to newbie solder-ers. The repaired PS works just fine in unit A. I also swapped drives and both of them are good. Now I figure Unit B has something wrong with the motherboard. Which is fine since the motherboard isn't a part that can be swapped into my working units anyway.

    Next step was to give both units a new set of lungs before the old 1.5TB drives die. Last night / this morning I successfully copied both drives with WinMFS and replaced them with new 2TB substitutes. The 1.5TB drives will be retired to the cellar in case of emergency. And I've got 1.75 backup units I can utilize for parts.
    Special thanks to ThAbtO, HerronScott, and Unitron (and everyone else here) for all of your help / excellent posts.
  2. Mar 18, 2017 #10302 of 10306

    HerronScott Well-Known Member

    Jan 1, 2002
    Staunton, VA
    Glad to hear you were successful! And how come we don't see such great deals on old TiVo's around here! :)

  3. Mar 22, 2017 #10303 of 10306

    Spl7 New Member

    Jan 21, 2012
    Back again. Drive flaked after the apartment had a power failure, got totally stuck on "Almost there" msg. After futzing for a while, I thought I'd try winmfs to start over. I have a tcd651260 tbk image that I saved. its a 160gb image that I captured after I did an "erase all". So like usual, I do the restore, reboot, do guided setup. All goes well, but then says I need to do a System Update and reboot. 8-12 hours later, and it remains on the "Almost there" message.

    So far, I've tried that "virgin" tbk, as well as one other I have squirreled away.
    I've tried doing using only 160gb image, as well as restoring it, adding it up to 1TB, supersize, etc.
    The caps seem OK (and I replaced the bulging ones years ago).
    The disk battery has been replaced.
    Did a full hard drive scan and it comes up fine.

    Each time, it comes up and I set on that almost there message. Should I just wait longer? Try another tbk? Totally zero the drive out before starting the winmfs restore?
  4. Wil

    Wil Senile Member

    Sep 26, 2002
    A bit off topic in that this is a question about a hard drive for out-of-Tivo storage of files moved from Tivos via kmttg, but there is hard drive knowledge here.

    I've got some WD Red 6TB drives (Amazon White Label WL6000GSA6457 seems to be a scrubbed used WD Red). Looks like I need to use WD5741 rather than WDIDLE, but WD5741 is simply a switch on for 300 seconds as I understand it, no information gathering first about what the current setting is. I'd like not to use it at all if the setting is already 300 seconds. Will WDIDLE accurately report the setting on these drives, even though it is not recommended to actually change the setting?

    IOW can I run WDIDLE first to check what the setting is, and if I get a report of, say, 8 seconds, then use WD5741 to actually change it to 300 if needed? And if it's already 300 just leave it alone?
  5. ThAbtO

    ThAbtO TiVoholic by the bay

    Apr 6, 2000
    SF Bay Area
    You do not need to do this on a WD Red. Anyways, WDIdle3 is used on a drive like a Green AV when its going to be used inside a Tivo.

    Out of Tivo storage is simply like a PC formatted drive use to store all those shows. (.Tivo files are just encrypted (with MAK) mpeg2 video file)
  6. Wil

    Wil Senile Member

    Sep 26, 2002
    "Need"? No. But the loading is too great for my comfort at an 8 second setting for the continual back and forth traffic I'll have. Some of the Reds have been set at 8 seconds, that's widely documented, and there's no telling how these particular WLs are set; I'd like to make sure they're at 300. WDIDLE does show them at 300, but since Western Digital says use WD5741 instead of WDIDLE I just want to make sure that WDIDLE reads the status correctly.

    Thanks anyway.

    EDITED TO ADD: BTW these drives look like a pretty good value; first two I tried have passed a WD full surface test with no errors. Firmware is 82.00A82, not prehistoric. Likely these will either be OK or bad out of the gate so if you're willing to run the long test and exercise them early, you can save around $80 each. 1 year warranty.
    Last edited: Apr 20, 2017 at 12:57 PM

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