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Drive Expansion and Drive Upgrade FAQ

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by bkdtv, Oct 19, 2007.

  1. May 6, 2014 #9881 of 10248
    unitron

    unitron Active Member

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    There is a very short list of WD drive model numbers (of the actual raw drive itself) which any TiVo newer than the original USA Series 3 (the one with the clock display) will have and against which it will check any drive attached to the eSATA port.

    If the drive inside the external enclosure is not one of those few models, the TiVo will refuse to work with it.

    If the drive inside your external has truly failed (as opposed to just the enclosure or the power supply for the enclosure failing), then unfortunately, because of the way TiVo divides each recording between the internal and external drives once you hook one up, you've lost those recordings.

    If this is the case, you need to instruct the TiVo to divorce the external drive.

    After that is done, I suggest you use the Australian version of WinMFS to copy the internal to a 2TB (success seems to be being had in great numbers with either the WD20EURS or its successor the WD20EURX), and then, as a separate step, expand into the remaining space.

    Having two drives doubles the chances of failure.
     
  2. May 6, 2014 #9882 of 10248
    ThAbtO

    ThAbtO TiVoholic by the bay

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    I think it would seem like 4x the chances, if you count each cable connection from each end of the eSATA cable, the enclosure itself, and then the drive itself.
     
  3. May 7, 2014 #9883 of 10248
    Albinus

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    Thanks guys. Drive itself is toast, WD diagnostics pinned excessive sector reallocation. I have another VS drive I can gain access to, different firmware on it though. Worth a shot by the looks of it. Might get a healthy image off the 160GB while I can too.
     
  4. May 22, 2014 #9884 of 10248
    bobock

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    It was worth to buy it. Cool design, easy to setup, and runs great.
    Low energy consumption, dual tuner HD PVR, use on multiple technology platforms operators around the world. But the best thing is that i can record 6 shows at once.
    It is expensive, but i dont regret the purchase.
     
  5. Jun 9, 2014 #9885 of 10248
    DB_0673

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    I have a 5 yr old Tivo HD, and think I need to replace HD. ( I did originally upgrade to a 1000GB) Can't seem to find the ones on list to purchase.
    Would this WD work,
    WD AV-GP 1 TB AV Video Hard Drive: 3.5 Inch, SATA III, 64 MB Cache - WD10EURX (they won't let me post links yet)
    Any suggestions appreciated. I want to make sure I am getting a HD that is rated for 24/7 use and would probably stick with 1000GB

    Thanks in advance
    Dan
     
  6. Jun 9, 2014 #9886 of 10248
    TivoDawg

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    DB_0673 - I had the same questions and decided to just make the jump.

    1. I bought the WD10EURX drive.
    2. Ran wdidle3 to ensure the idle timer was disabled (to prevent the softboot problems). It was disabled out of the box, so no problems there.
    3. Ran WinMFS and upgraded from an original TiVo HD drive. I also expanded the drive to use the new size, and supersized it.

    All worked without fail. I have had it in the TiVo for a day or so and have seen no trouble in recordings, and no random reboots. I also transferred manually (ie. transferred via network from another TiVo box) some large recordings. So far, everything seems normal. No pixilation or random reboots. No slow tuning on over the air HD channels, etc.

    I hope that helps. Please understand that this happened within the last 24 hours or so. My experience is not related to long term testing.

    Has anyone else used this drive for upgrades and had problems for the TiVo HD? If so, please let us know.

    Thanks,
    -Randy
     
  7. Jun 9, 2014 #9887 of 10248
    dlfl

    dlfl Cranky old novice

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    You should try searching these forums on "wd10eurx" and "wd20eurx". Lots of info. The wd20 is probably the replacement drive du jour at the moment. No need to make brave decisions in the dark.
     
  8. Jun 9, 2014 #9888 of 10248
    DB_0673

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    Thanks for the prompt answers. Randy, how did you know that the IDLE timer was disabled out of the box. If I have to run wdidle, does it allow you to select the drive you want, I don't want it to screw up my SSD drives in my computer.
    I will search and read up on the drives mentioned

    Dan
     
  9. Jun 10, 2014 #9889 of 10248
    unitron

    unitron Active Member

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    Boot from a cd with the

    wdidle3.exe

    program on it, but first disconnect the data cables from all drives except the cd or dvd deck from which you are booting and the WD drive to be adjusted if necessary.

    That drive will need to be connected straight to a SATA port on the motherboard (or an IDE/PATA port with the use of a SATA/IDE adapter), and not through a USB adapater for wdidle3 to be able to access the drive on a low enough level to change the firmware.


    The 10EUX should work just fine, but you might as well spend a little extra and get a much better GB/$ ratio with a WD20EURS or WD20EURX.

    And of course run WD's own diagnostic software long test on the drive before doing anything else with it.
     
  10. Jun 10, 2014 #9890 of 10248
    DB_0673

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    Thanks
    I have to figure out what or where to get the long test software
    Dan
     
  11. Jun 11, 2014 #9891 of 10248
    unitron

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    Check your PMs.
     
  12. Jun 11, 2014 #9892 of 10248
    DB_0673

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    thanks, got them
     
  13. Jun 15, 2014 #9893 of 10248
    shrike4242

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    Trying to do a drive upgrade on a S3 I've taken out of service and replace the original 250GB drive with a 1TB EVDS drive that I had new in box.

    I popped the drive into my external enclosure and brought up WinMFS. When it goes to select the drive, it brings up the "Error number: 9 / Error Message: Warning! / Your A drive is married to B drive but only A drive is selected" message.

    The S3 used to have an external drive Seagate 750GB DB35 drive in a MX-1 enclosure, though when I took the unit out of service, I divorced the drive from the system and did a Clear Everything and Delete, so it started up as a new Tivo install.

    I can't seem to figure out why the system would report that the external drive is still married to the internal drive after the clear and delete, so I'm not sure how to proceed.

    Anyone have any ideas? Should I put the 250GB drive back in the S3 and do another Clear Everything and Delete? Is there an issue with the 250GB drive and I should look into getting an image from other sources like Instant Cake, dumping the image onto the 1TB drive directly?

    Would the fact that I'm trying to do this via an external enclosure make a difference?
     
  14. Jun 15, 2014 #9894 of 10248
    HerronScott

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    Not sure if it's needed but after the divorce and/or Clear and Delete Everything did you go through the full setup on reboot? Just wondering if the divorce is perhaps not finalized until that happens.

    Scott
     
  15. Jun 15, 2014 #9895 of 10248
    squint

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    Isn't there a "Fix divorce" option in WinMFS? I'm no expert but on a drive that's already been wiped I would try that and "Delete Format" and see what happens.
     
  16. Jun 15, 2014 #9896 of 10248
    shrike4242

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    I didn't do full setup, it was just at the initial setup screen after the C&D E process. When it was at that initial screen, I just powered it off and left it.

    I did do the "Fix Divorce" step, which didn't seem to make any difference the next time I tried the drive. What does "Delete Format" do?
     
  17. Jul 22, 2014 #9897 of 10248
    Marconi

    Marconi TiVo Junkie

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    Wow. The drive upgrade sticky has not been updated in a long time. For those of us still running the TCD652160 THD DVRs, what currently available drives are satisfactory? I see mention of WD10EURX earlier. What are some other compatible drives?
     
  18. Jul 22, 2014 #9898 of 10248
    dlfl

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    See post 9887 in this thread and following posts. Surprised you missed that.
     
  19. Jul 22, 2014 #9899 of 10248
    unitron

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    Get a WD20EURS or WD20EURX.

    Use WinMFS to copy the old drive to the new after running the WD diagnostic long test on the new drive to make sure it's okay before putting it into service.

    When WinMFS finally finishes copying (after looking frozen for awhile), it'll offer to expand into the rest of the space. Tell it no.

    Select the new drive and run

    mfsinfo


    on it and make sure it looks okay and that there's a big Apple Free partition at the end of the Partition Map.

    Then back out of that and run

    mfsadd

    to do the expansion as a separate step.
     
  20. Jul 22, 2014 #9900 of 10248
    Marconi

    Marconi TiVo Junkie

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    I'm on Mac; I don't have Windows. I'm still using the MFSLive 1.4 CD to do my backup and copying. I don't think it much likes 2 TB drives. Looking for 1 TB drives.
     

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