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Drive Expansion and Drive Upgrade FAQ

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by bkdtv, Oct 19, 2007.

  1. Mar 17, 2014 #9861 of 10308
    dmartin5454

    dmartin5454 New Member

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    I have a Tivo HD (652160) that was experiencing random reboots. I examined the capacitors on the power supply board, and sure enough, there were some that were bulging. I went ahead and ordered the complete list as specified on this forum for my board:

    QTY PART NUMBER DESCRIPTION LOCATION
    1 1189-1197-ND CAP ALUM 470UF 200V 20% RADIAL C120
    1 493-1896-ND CAP ALUM 47UF 50V 20% RADIAL C220
    1 493-5362-1-ND CAP ALUM 10UF 25V 20% RADIAL C227
    1 493-5369-1-ND CAP ALUM 2.2UF 50V 20% RADIAL C306
    2 P12354-ND CAP ALUM 1000UF 10V 20% RADIAL C403,C503
    1 P12376-ND CAP ALUM 470UF 16V 20% RADIAL C702
    5 493-6967-ND CAP ALUM 2200UF 10V 20% RADIAL C402,C407,C501,C502,C504
    1 P12366-ND CAP ALUM 1000UF 16V 20% RADIAL C701

    After replacement, I measured the voltages, and they came out within tolerances. I had a 1.5TB drive that I originally had configured for 1.2TB, before it was known how to go beyond that. At some point I successfully expanded it to 1.5TB. The drive was starting to get noisy and seemed a little on the hot side. I didn't think to get an actual measurement of the temperature, but it seemed hot to the touch. I went ahead and ordered a WD20EURS to replace it.

    I used the Ultimate Bood cd (loaded on a USB flash drive) to run wdidle3 on it. It came direct from the factory with the head parking disabled, which I had heard might be the case. I also performed an complete media scan on the drive overnight to make sure the drive was not DOA. It passed with no errors.

    I used unitron's instructions for copying the drive contents (including all recordings), then as a separate step, used mfsadd to expand the capacity from 1.5TB to 2.0TB. I verified that I now have 318 hours of HD storage.

    Now for the problem. I'm still getting random reboots -- usually after 1-2 days. I always enable the digital clock display, so when it disappears, I know a reboot occurred.

    Thinking that the original drive might have had some corruption on it (which could have been copied to the new drive) I made the mistake of trying kickstart 57 to initiate a Media File System check, which causes as GSOD to appear while it attempts to repair any file system problems. However, the GSOD did appear for just a few seconds, then it went into a reboot cycle repeating that exact sequence over and over. I couldn't recover from that, so I had to re-copy from the original drive again.

    Does anyone have any suggestions as to what to check (perhaps more attention to the PS board), or anything else? With the new drive, everything works correctly, I just get the random reboots.

    --
    Dave
     
  2. Apr 7, 2014 #9862 of 10308
    TaterTot24

    TaterTot24 TiVo Addict!

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    So some of the data in the original post looks a little dated...

    What is the best drive to put into a "TivoHD (TCD652160)"? and does the whole "1.0TiB" limit still exist?
     
  3. Apr 8, 2014 #9863 of 10308
    unitron

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    Probably the WD20EURS or its successor the WD20EURX.

    Best GB/$ ratio, specifically designed for 24/7 AV use.

    See discussion here about from whom not to buy.

    http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?t=514951



    If your 652 (or any S3 platform TiVo) is running at least ver. 11.0h of the TiVo software (if you've had it online lately it should be up to 11.0m), then it'll be able to deal with partitions larger than 1.2TB.

    If you read the past few pages of this thread you'll see where I've gone into detail about the best way to expand into all 2TB and the need to test the new drive before using.

    One thing, make sure you weren't one of the people who got the supposedly unintended "upgrade" to version 11.3 something (which is supposedly only for the Australian TiVos).
     
  4. Apr 8, 2014 #9864 of 10308
    mattack

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  5. Apr 8, 2014 #9865 of 10308
    jmbach

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    Given what we currently know about the current S4 and S5 series TiVo OSes, it should be doable. The problem is that the current tools available will not let it be done cleanly as demonstrated in the 4TB DIY thread. The only other thing to test out is the limitations of the 64bit APM TiVo introduced in the latest OS releases. Not everything in the TiVo OS can utilize the 64bit APM.
     
  6. Apr 8, 2014 #9866 of 10308
    mattack

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    Oh, I guess I have to search for the 4 TB DIY thread. I thought the only info about a 4 TB Tivo was from weaknees, really expensive..
     
  7. Apr 8, 2014 #9867 of 10308
    jmbach

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    As far as the S3 OS is concerned, I strongly suspect we could get a 3 to 4TB version going for the TiVo HD. I would attempt this myself save that I only have an OLED S3 and unless someone can convert a 32bit MFS system to 64bit, it will never see anything beyond 2TB.
     
  8. Apr 12, 2014 #9868 of 10308
    dougdingle

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    Can one of those eSATA 'WD Expanders' be used with a TiVo HD (TCD652160) that's had its internal drive upgraded to a 1 Gig, or do I need to remove the internal drive and use WINMFS to pair with an external drive?
     
  9. Apr 12, 2014 #9869 of 10308
    ThAbtO

    ThAbtO TiVoholic by the bay

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    You need to use WinMFS, but be aware that adding a second drive will only add problems to the Tivo. Should a drive fail, you lose recordings since its been attached.
     
  10. Apr 12, 2014 #9870 of 10308
    unitron

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    I'm pretty sure the software in the TiVo that recognizes that an external has been connected and checks the model number of the drive itself against the very short list of approved models is not set up to handle the situation of adding it if the internal had already been upgraded. I think it expects to put the third MFS pair on the external, but an upgraded internal already has the 3rd pair added to it.

    Better to use WinMFS to copy that 1TB to a WD20EURS or WD20EURX (for about what you'd pay for a 1TB WD TiVo approved external anyway), and then after the copying is finished, select the 2TB drive, check it with

    mfsinfo

    and only then, as a separate step from the copying, expand into the second TB with

    mfsadd

    telling it to go ahead and use a partition bigger than 1.2TB when it asks.

    But not until after running WD's own diagnostic long test on the 2TB before putting it into service. (stuff can happen during shipping even if it didn't slip past QC at the factory).

    Having 2 drives doubles the chance of having a drive go bad (and costing you all the shows on both drives).
     
  11. Apr 20, 2014 #9871 of 10308
    dantruong

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    Follow me, I currently got the series 3 and running Ver. 8.3. with a DB 35 Seagate hard drive & the MX1 enclosure. Everything works fine right now. When TiVo upgrades my receiver to 9 .2 will it still worked properly or will it reinstall the external hard drive?
    I don't want to lose my recordings? I've got quite a few shows that are recorded and would hate to start over again. If anybody went from 8.3 to 9.2 & use the old kickstart method, did you encounter any problems when TiVo upgraded your receiver?
    Thank You.
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  12. Apr 20, 2014 #9872 of 10308
    dlfl

    dlfl Cranky old novice

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    8.2, 9.2 ???
    Series 3's have been using 11.0 for years. 11.0m is the latest. As soon as you connect to TiVo you should be getting that update.
     
  13. Apr 20, 2014 #9873 of 10308
    lpwcomp

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    I'm assuming he actually has some model of DirecTiVo.
     
  14. Apr 21, 2014 #9874 of 10308
    stevel

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    No such versions in DTiVo. His other off-topic posts seem to include snippets of other posts, suggesting an incipient spammer.
     
  15. May 5, 2014 #9875 of 10308
    Albinus

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    Hi guys,

    Got a question that I can't seem to find the answer to anywhere. I have the Australian Series 3 model (TCD663160) with the 160GB WD drive, plus a 1GB E-SATA Expander that was purchased as part of the pack in 2009. Well, I've had the external drive die with the click of death, internal is still testing fine with WD diagnostics. As a result, TiVo works fine on the internal 160GB drive but quite limited for storage.

    I'm seeing conflicting messages about replacing the external drive. Some say I must only use a WD Expander. Some say any old E-SATA drive will work. Some say that I must use a new drive, but in the WD caddy. Some say I need an image installed, some I don't.

    Can anybody simplify this for me and give me a more firm answer? Please? :)

    Thanks in advance!
     
  16. May 5, 2014 #9876 of 10308
    mattack

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    I know nothing about Australian Tivos.. but based upon what I just found at wikipedia, this looks like the equivalent to the "Tivo HD" model.. (not the OLED S3)

    The Tivo HD *only* works with the official external drives. People may have hacked other drives, e.g. I think you can 'marry' drives manually, but I don't know how to do that.. As far as official support, you need the official drive.

    I *believe* the OLED S3 "works" with basically any drive, but even it AFAIK is only "officially" supported with the external drive.

    My suggestion would be to just expand the internal drive. It *might* work with the jmfs CD, which makes expansion really easy. (It basically is a text based friendly front end to the CLI tools.)

    and/or get a Roamio (I have no idea if those work outside the U.S.. do other countries even use cable cards?), and plop a 3 TB drive in it..
     
  17. May 5, 2014 #9877 of 10308
    jmbach

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    I agree about expanding the internal drive. There is a special version of WinMFS for the Australian TiVo. While you have it open, get a backup of your image. I have seen several people asking for an image for their Australian TiVo and never get one. It would be good to have one floating around.
     
  18. May 6, 2014 #9878 of 10308
    Albinus

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    Hey guys, no TiVo here has been killed by the slough of other PVR devices on the market. I also have a FetchTV box that streams cable channels via HTTP multicast, as well as 1TB of storage and three tuners. In fact, TiVo isn't even sold here anymore, only the channel guides and movies are updated.

    Is the lack of support for external drives tied into the file system or the model of WD drive? I can source a matching model of WD drive but don't want it to nuke my lifetime subscription when I plug it in.
     
  19. May 6, 2014 #9879 of 10308
    jmbach

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    The TiVo subscription is tied to the motherboard. Replacing the drive does not affect anything. If you use an image from another TiVo, you will have to do a clear and delete everything first before the TiVo will work so that the motherboard serial number is embedded in the MFS structure of the drive.
     
  20. May 6, 2014 #9880 of 10308
    steve614

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    IIRC, the Tivo looks for a specific model # of the drive itself. If the drive ID inside the enclosure doesn't match with what's in the database, it won't work.
    The enclosure does not matter. People have had failed electronics in the enclosure, have successfully transferred the hard drive to an aftermarket enclosure, and everything still works.
     

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