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Drive Expansion and Drive Upgrade FAQ

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by bkdtv, Oct 19, 2007.

  1. Jan 24, 2014 #9841 of 10248
    unitron

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    You don't have to supersize, but you can if you want to.

    WinMFS can do that at any time after you restore that image to the drive.

    Thanks for the image offer, but the one I have is new enough for my purposes.
     
  2. Jan 30, 2014 #9842 of 10248
    Red NSX

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    Well I got my new 2TB WD AV-GP drive for my HDXL/658000. Trying to use WINMFS and it is not finding the drive. Upon opening winmfs I get a clean gui of winmfs with file and help as the only menu options. When clicking on file/select drive I get a window showing A drive on top and B drive on bottom with the drive information totally blank for both drives. By clicking show mounted drives there is no change in the window. I then closed winmfs and right clicked the winmfs program and there is no option for open as admin, just open/cut/copy/paste/properties. clicking on properties only has a general tab.

    For what is worth I have Dell/Win7 and the hard drive shows up in explorer as D drive, labeled Elements with a autorun file and folder with WD icon in it. I tried using various mother board ports for the drive data cable with the same results. One note is the data cable I used was the existing data cable for the DVD writer in the same computer, and I don't have another, but can get one of course.

    Thanks in advance for you help.
     
  3. Jan 30, 2014 #9843 of 10248
    worachj

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    Not seeing the drive is usually because you need to run WINMFS under admin privileges. Unzip the WINMFS.exe from the zip file. After it's unzipped right click on it and select Run as administrator. You should now be able to see the TiVo drive.
     
  4. Jan 30, 2014 #9844 of 10248
    Red NSX

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    Thanks, allready tried that, right clicking is not giving that option only choices are open/cut/copy/paste/properties. clicking on properties only has a general tab
     
  5. Jan 30, 2014 #9845 of 10248
    worachj

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    Has it been unzipped from the zip file? Copy and move it to another location. Or right click on the zip file and extract all...
     
  6. Jan 30, 2014 #9846 of 10248
    ThAbtO

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    The drive should not be showing in Explorer for it to be recognized in WinMFS. What drive are you using? It looks like the drive is from some external drive setup.
     
  7. Jan 30, 2014 #9847 of 10248
    Red NSX

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    This seems crazy, I did as you described, which still only opened the one file named winmfs, but now when I right click the winmfs file it allowed me to run as administrator. The program started and looked the same, everything still empty. When I clicked show mounted, it then showed my drive. It is now time to get moving again, till the next hangup.

    Thanks for all your help
     
  8. Jan 31, 2014 #9848 of 10248
    unitron

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    Sounds like that "new" 2TB WD AV-GP was removed from or intended for a Western Digital brand external hard drive, one which previous reports indicate is likely to contain whatever 2TB drive WD had lying around at the time, including, in at least one instance, a Caviar Black model, which if purchased as a boxed internal, would have had a 5 year warranty and a price tag from $20 to $50 higher than the Elements external.

    I'm wondering it it's as "new" as you were lead to believe.
     
  9. Jan 31, 2014 #9849 of 10248
    Red NSX

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    This "new" drive, which looks new and has a manf. date of 7/13. During the restore process, within 30 sec the status bar climbs half way and then hangs forever. Display shows no ETA and under last error message is states "Error writing media inode1" Also under steps I left the swap size as 128. Under the view tab it states "not a tivo drive".

    Should I just go through the hassle of a return or will the Delete Format option under the file tab solve my problem. For a reminder windows explorer does see this drive with a WD image file on it.

    Thanks again for your help and sharing your invaluable knowledge.
     
  10. Jan 31, 2014 #9850 of 10248
    Red NSX

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    Update: the Delete Format worked and now the replace image worked and completed it's job in about a minute. I have put it back in the TiVo and it is working. Then back to computer to expand and back into TiVo for clear and delete everything. I couldn't seem to find the correct WD diagnostic software that was compatible w/Win7 32 bit that would reconize the drive with TiVo software on it, it does see the drive, just won't let me test it. Should I have run the diag test as my first step instead of last step?
     
  11. Jan 31, 2014 #9851 of 10248
    unitron

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    Better to use a bootable cd that loads its own operating system with which to run the diagnostic software.

    Last I checked there was an .iso file available on the WD website which you could burn to cd-r "as an image"*, but allow me to suggest getting their program instead on the free Ultimate Boot cd, as it has not only that program but lots and lots of other stuff that might come in handy as well.


    http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/download.html

    Ignore the big green download button and go to the bottom of the page where it says mirror sites, choose one near you, and click on the somewhat antiquated drive icon immediately to the left of the mirror site name.

    *Find in your cd burning software the "as an image" option, as this puts the bits in the right place on the cd for it to be bootable. Do this for any cd that needs to be bootable, including the UBCD.

    One should run the manufacturer's diagnostic software's long test on a drive before putting it into service, even if it's brand new, because "stuff happens".

    That test is for the hard drive itself, not the software (TiVo, Windows, Mac, whatever) on it, and shouldn't do any damage to the software written to the drive.

    When you use WinMFS to copy a TiVo drive to a new drive, it'll take a while, depending on the size of the source drive.

    When restoring a truncated image backup file (one which ends in .tbk), there may come a point where it seems the process has frozen up. Leave it be for up to an hour before deciding anything has gone wrong, although it should finish well before that.

    In both cases, when the copying or restoring is down, if the target drive is larger than the source or the drive that originally came in the TiVo from which the .tbk file was made, WinMFS will tell you that there's extra space and offer to expand.

    Tell it no.

    Go to

    Select Drive

    and make sure that the target drive is selected.

    Check the drive with

    mfsinfo

    and make sure everything looks okay.

    Then you can expand by clicking on the

    mfsadd

    command, although you can also take the drive out and test it in the TiVo and then hook it back to the PC and expand later.

    You will of course have to exit WinMFS and shut down the PC before disconnecting the drive.

    Some of what I write here is for you and some is for future readers.
     
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    Red NSX

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    Thank you Unitron and ThAbtO. Without people like you and the writers of the various TiVo software programs, the task of doing a hard drive replacement would be only for the extreme computer people. It appears that there are many variables to this process and you guys are there to assist in and sort out the best avenues. I as well as many others appreciate all of your help, suggestions and directions.

    Thank you, Thank you, Thank you
     
  14. Feb 2, 2014 #9854 of 10248
    adischin

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    OK, giving this a whirl. I deleted the last format of the new drive and restored from the 658000.tbk, said NO to expansion. I plugged everything in and the welcome screen popped up, then to just a few minutes more. After that a Serious Error screen came up, and asked for 3 hours to fix that error. I'm letting it go through the motions and will see what happens, hoping that it updates the software, after which I will go back and expand.
     
  15. Feb 3, 2014 #9855 of 10248
    unitron

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    That serious error 3 hour thing should just be on account of the image came from a different 658 with a different TiVo Service Number (they're unique, so it has to be different) from your 658's TSN, and it has to rewrite some stuff to "marry" that drive to your TiVo.
     
  16. Feb 26, 2014 #9856 of 10248
    Kurt Grzyb

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    I have a Tivo HD and the hard drive died completely. Does any one have a image to down load so I can fix it my self or I have to buy the software from say DVRupgrade or some place like that. Unfortunaly I'm unable to clone the drive.
     
  17. Feb 26, 2014 #9857 of 10248
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    unitron

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  20. Mar 4, 2014 #9860 of 10248
    adischin

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    OK, tried the whole thing again and BINGO! Back up, 11.0m update from the TiVO Mothership installed and everything seems to work again. Thank you all for the help, still working on those last 3 caps but on the advice of another poster here I bit the bullet and got a spare drive, also going to back up the current image for the not-so-unthinkable next drive replacement.
     

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