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Drive Expansion and Drive Upgrade FAQ

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by bkdtv, Oct 19, 2007.

  1. Mar 10, 2008 #961 of 10248
    brewman

    brewman Member

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    Happy to be of service. No great risk for me - I have other uses for a 1TB drive so if it didn't work out in my S3 I would have found a home for it somewhere else.
     
  2. Mar 11, 2008 #962 of 10248
    MANOWAR©

    MANOWAR© um, yeah.

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    Just got my 500GB WD MyBook TiVo edition hooked up and working great. Thanks to everyone who posted all the helpful tips/suggestions and warnings. :up:
     
  3. Mar 11, 2008 #963 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Congrats on all of that new space...just in time for the new season's shows! :up:

    BTW, to avoid any confusion for others, the drive you have is Western Digital's My DVR Expander. The WD "My Book" drive series will not work as expansion drives for TiVo's. ;)
     
  4. Mar 12, 2008 #964 of 10248
    charms

    charms New Member

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    Which is getting a little ridiculous at this point. TiVo's charging a significant premium for what is essentially a rebranding of an existing WD product (with maybe a few firmware changes). They are charging way over the market price for a comparable 500GB eSATA drive and are even 10-15% above the price of the identical MyBook (WDG1SU5000). About time for a price break.

    :thumbsdown:
     
  5. Mar 12, 2008 #965 of 10248
    jlib

    jlib Lean Forward

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    Carmel...
    Basically, you are paying for the "support." There are "unsupported" routes that are cheaper. It just depends upon what is most important, convenience or money. ;)
     
  6. Mar 13, 2008 #966 of 10248
    brewman

    brewman Member

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    I don't know that it's true that it's a simple rebranding. The marketing/techonology claim is that drives intended for use in DVR applications are specifically designed for that environment (always on), and that PC drives would have a shorter MTBF in the same environment. Now, this may as simple as slowing the rotational speed to reduce heat, or more costly in terms of components (step motors, bearings, etc). I don't know the truth of any of this, but it certainly sounds plausible. Add to that the reduced economies of scale and the price premium may not be as severe as it seems.
     
  7. Mar 13, 2008 #967 of 10248
    faerie

    faerie New Member

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    Looks like it's sold out.

    Does anyone know what the warranty is like on these? Standard WD warranty? I don't see anything listed on the buy.com website.
     
  8. Mar 13, 2008 #968 of 10248
    jlib

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    Carmel...
    The problem with that line of thought is that they don't have longer MTBF nor are they mechanically different (same bearings, same head mechanism, same platters).

    Additionally, all modern drives are designed to be on constantly (assuming proper ventilation). DVR drives do have an enhanced feature set that a DVR manufacturer can take advantage of by designing a device around but since TiVo does not take advantage of any of those firmware enhancements there is no benefit.

    There are a few situations where a DVR drive is an advantage but I can only think of two. If you have a Seagate drive the DB35 version is better because the standard drive does not have user accessible acoustic adjustments. If you have a Western Digital GP drive in an S3, the DVR version does not suffer the infamous soft-reboot problem.
     
  9. Mar 13, 2008 #969 of 10248
    richsadams

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  10. Mar 13, 2008 #970 of 10248
    derspiess

    derspiess New Member

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    Just wanted to say thanks to the thread originator + everyone else who contributed. I upgraded my new TivoHD to a 500GB Seagate ST3500320AS drive following the instructions on page 1 & it all went like clockwork :)

    I think I'm only getting about 65 hours of HD space, though, according to the Tivo information screen, so if I get adventurous later on, I may look into whatever might be needed to stretch that out a little bit.
     
  11. Mar 13, 2008 #971 of 10248
    dwit

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    Sounds like you omitted(missed) the "Supersize" step. This was a distinct step that is not part of any of the other procedural steps. This is assumming you used the winmfs method of upgrading.
     
  12. Mar 14, 2008 #972 of 10248
    dssxxxx

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    Turned THD off......connected eSata cable....powered on eSata....powered on THD...reboot. Now have 86 hours. Using DVR Expander. Easiest upgrade I have ever done. Entire process.........approximately 15-20 minutes.

    Thanks to everyones comments in this thread.
     
  13. Mar 14, 2008 #973 of 10248
    Eccles

    Eccles Mostly harmless

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    I installed a DVR Expander on my new THD last night, too. On the first reboot after pairing the device, I got nothing but a black screen at the point where you would normally get the intro video. I cycled power on the THD, and it came up fine on the next reboot. A moment of minor concern, but everything appears OK now. Mmmm, space!
     
  14. Mar 14, 2008 #974 of 10248
    derspiess

    derspiess New Member

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    I used winmfs but did not see a "supersize" step in the instructions on page 1. I did get a message toward the end of the process mentioning that I had additional space & asked if I wanted to use it (duh, of course!). I had read about 'supersize' when looking through the thread a few days ago but assumed that last step was it. I guess it wasn't.

    I'll go back & review everything. Not sure if it's worth bothering with now because I'd probably lose some recordings if I re-did everything.
     
  15. Mar 14, 2008 #975 of 10248
    robostock

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    Buy.com has it back in stock for $244.99. I just picked one up and I used the "Revolution Card" to take an additional $50 off. Also, the Antec MX-1 case has a $30 rebate at Amazon. All said and done, it ended up about $35 more than the My DVR price. :up:

    I was about to buy the WD My DVR expander, but I'm going to take a chance on this "non-supported" drive.[/QUOTE]
     
  16. Mar 14, 2008 #976 of 10248
    andy_hd

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    I, too, did not 'supersize' on initial expand. I didn't miss it -- I just didn't want one more possible source of error. But it turns out that you can 'supersize' at any time. I did so a few weeks later. Didn't lose any recordings -- and increased my available space from 131 Hrs to 144 Hrs.

    You don't have to 're-do' everything. You do need to pull the drive again, but then it is just selecting the drive and turning on 'supersize' for it. Takes less than a minute once the the drive is hooked up to the computer.
     
  17. Mar 14, 2008 #977 of 10248
    lrd

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    Hello, just upgraded my internal 160gb to WD10EVCS 1GB using the most current MFS.

    In MFS, selected the original drive as the source A drive and the new drive as the destination A drive. MFS recognized both drives and completed the transfer successfully. At the end it asked if I wanted to expand, I said yes.

    Put the drive back in, hooked everything up, and the green light on the front panel & fan came on, and a black screen on the correct DVR AV channel. The Tivo start up video did not happen, nor could I pull up any picture, and the Tivo button does not work. Also the wireless adapter does not turn on when plugged into the USB port.

    Any ideas?? :confused::(

    Thank you in advance
     
  18. Mar 14, 2008 #978 of 10248
    dwit

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    Reinstall the original Tivo drive to check for proper operation.

    If every thing works properly with the original drive, chances are you did something wrong during the upgrade.

    Also, run the WD diagnostics utility on the new drive to see if if checks out as problem free.
     
  19. Mar 14, 2008 #979 of 10248
    lrd

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    OOPS.. I was interuppted when I was installing the drive and forgot to plug in the new hard drive in the Tivo..DOH!

    Do have another question though..for a 1TB..how many more hours will I get going back in and supersizing? (Did the expansion at the end of the transfer, but did not supersize) Just not sure if it was enough extra hours to warrant pulling it back out of the Tivo..

    Thanks!:)
     
  20. Mar 14, 2008 #980 of 10248
    lrd

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    OK IGNORE this question as well..I just checked and have 131 HD hours, so I'm assuming it will go to 144 as noted a few posts before mine..

    GOING back to sleep now...:eek:
     

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