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Drive Expansion and Drive Upgrade FAQ

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by bkdtv, Oct 19, 2007.

  1. Jul 22, 2013 #9621 of 10248
    keenanSR

    keenanSR Member TCF Club

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    Never getting passed the "Welcome, Powering Up..." screen indicates failed HDD correct?

    Thanks

    Also, it's been many years since I installed the current drive, what's the best available model number to use now?

    Thanks again.
     
  2. Jul 22, 2013 #9622 of 10248
    ThAbtO

    ThAbtO TiVoholic by the bay

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    What drive are you using to what model Tivo? If it is a Western Digital drive. you may need to run WDidle3.exe /D

    Also the software on the drive needs to match the model Tivo, (TCDxxx)
     
  3. Jul 22, 2013 #9623 of 10248
    keenanSR

    keenanSR Member TCF Club

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    I'll have to open it up to see the specific model of HDD, it was installed around a year after the Series 3( TCD648250B) was first released, probably one of the WD's listed in the original post of this thread, a 1TB model. I've been away from home about a week and came home and saw the problem, I'll open it later this evening, if that is truly what is wrong.

    I do have the original(factory installed) drive and I also have a backup of the original drive on a computer.

    To be clear, it is a failed HDD? Seems to me that was an indicator, failing to get passed that screen.

    I know I'll have to do some research, I've always followed this thread but since everything had been working fine it was pretty much just background interest. I do realize that some drives are more finicky than others nowadays and I'm not looking to expand it beyond the 1TB capacity that's currently in the machine.

    I'll have to research that command you've noted in your response, is that something I can try on the existing drive to recover it, or to prepare a new drive?

    Thanks again.
     
  4. Jul 22, 2013 #9624 of 10248
    ThAbtO

    ThAbtO TiVoholic by the bay

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    If it was a new drive, then the previous post about WDidle3 may need to be run. WDidle is used to set the auto-park feature on Western Digital drives only.

    If its an old drive, its possible to have failed, or the power supply problem, just to name a few.
     
  5. Jul 22, 2013 #9625 of 10248
    keenanSR

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    Thought about the power supply, what would be the best indicator?
     
  6. Jul 22, 2013 #9626 of 10248
    ThAbtO

    ThAbtO TiVoholic by the bay

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    I'm no expert, but you can open it up and look at the capacitors for bulging or leaks.
     
  7. Jul 22, 2013 #9627 of 10248
    keenanSR

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    Yes, I remember reading that. I'll have to pop the cover and see what things look like. Just so I understand, the fan will still spin with a suspect power supply? A bad power supply is intermittent voltage and/or incorrect voltage to the HDD?

    The drive is a WD 10EVVS.

    Also now the fan doesn't even turn and the unit appears to be completely dead. I looked at the power supply and there doesn't seem to be anything out of order, the largest cap has a very slight bulge on the top, but that's about it.

    Is there a thread here that focuses on power supply issue? I did a search but it only returned a few isolated threads.

    Just looked at this thread here and the suspect cap I mentioned above looks exactly like the bad one in the photo so I'm leaning toward a bad power supply.

    I realize this thread is focused on increasing storage so if someone could direct me to a thread that might give me some ideas on how to move forward that would be great.

    Thanks
     
  8. Jul 23, 2013 #9628 of 10248
    unitron

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    Go here

    http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/index.php?

    click on the search tab at the top of the page and put capacitor into the text box.

    That'll provide you with plenty of reading.

    There's one thread with the term "bad capacitors" in the title that should have most of the info you need.


    Repairing your power supply may not solve your problem, but it has to be eliminated as a possible source first, or any other troubleshooting efforts are a waste of time.
     
  9. Jul 23, 2013 #9629 of 10248
    keenanSR

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    Thanks, I did do some searching late last night and came across several of those threads and I'm pretty sure at this point the PS is at the very least suspect - absolutely no power/no activity/no lights when the power cord is plugged in now - and as you note, it needs to be eliminated as a problem cause before continuing. I'm leaning heavily towards the Weaknees exchange, looked at Ebay but figured I could easily end up with someone elses failing PS if I bought a used S3. I'm not proficient enough to do any re-soldering myself so replacing the offending caps is not really an option, and in my area I don't know of anywhere that would do that sort of work.
     
  10. Jul 23, 2013 #9630 of 10248
    ThAbtO

    ThAbtO TiVoholic by the bay

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    You could look in the yellow pages for TV/VCR Repair or electronics/computer repair.
     
  11. Jul 23, 2013 #9631 of 10248
    dianebrat

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    That's actually a very valid concern, since the power supplies are all the same age, and the odds of them also having capacitors about to fail are quite high.

    Replacing the caps is actually very easy for someone that's done that type of work, no friends or family with that skill set that you can bribe with food or beverages? Since I usually am that friend/family member, they know a good scotch or a BBQ meal usually are winners in getting me to say ok to a job like that.
     
  12. Jul 23, 2013 #9632 of 10248
    keenanSR

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    I did call 2 places, there are very few in this area that even do that sort of work and they both said it would be a week to 10 days before it could be completed, my guess is that they don't even do it themselves instead sending it somewhere else to be done.

    I needed the DVR back in service very soon so I opted for the WeaKnees exchange. Expensive, but it's plug and play and being in the same state(Calif) I should have it in 2 days or less.
     
  13. Jul 23, 2013 #9633 of 10248
    keenanSR

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    If I set my mind to it I could probably pull it off, but without having complete confidence in my own ability I opted for the purchase. No family members or friends with that sort of skill set either. Basically, if I didn't need the machine soon I would just try it myself, but time and cost and proficiency considerations pointed to just buying the refurb.

    Next I'll see what the HDD is up to, hopefully nothing! :D
     
  14. Jul 23, 2013 #9634 of 10248
    sbguy

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    Hi Everyone,

    I have a Series3 HD (the OLED one) TCD648250B and a new 2TB drive I'm trying to set up. I had been running a 1TB in it for a few years but it went belly up shortly after its warranty expired.

    The new disk is a WD20EURS.

    I have an original mfsbackup from the 250GB disk. Using MFSLive I am able to restore the old backup to the new disk, but not expand it. I understand that this is a known limitation of MFSTools to be able to expand on >1TB HDDs.

    Next I tried JMFS for its expansion capabilities, but it is not recognizing that there is a Tivo filesystem on the disk.

    I read somewhere about possibly needing to have a newer version of the Tivo OS. I put the new 2TB drive (having the 250GB image restored on it) in the Tivo and it booted just fine. After a couple of days it got updated to 11k.

    I put the drive back in my host PC, booted MFSLvie and got a fresh mfsbackup for good measure. I then booted to my JMFS live CD wanting to expand, but it still does not recognize a valid Tivo system on the disk.

    I'm stumped. Does anybody have any hints for me?

    Thanks in advance,
    Tom
     
  15. Jul 23, 2013 #9635 of 10248
    nooneuknow

    nooneuknow TiVo User Since 2007

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    Search the forum for the DVRBARS utility thread. It's the newest (Windows-based) tool/utility that may help you out. If you PM the software author, with your TCD model number, he'll PM you back with a way to get the image you need, if he has access to it. If he helps you out, please consider a donation to his PayPal account. Besides all the time and effort he's given to us for free, in the form of his utility, he pays for a very large dropbox account, and that isn't for his benefit. It's for ours. Best of luck, with resolving your issue.
     
  16. Jul 24, 2013 #9636 of 10248
    sbguy

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    Well the DVRBARS utility can't expand, which is what I needed. But, while browsing that thread, I saw a post about someone using MFSAdd inside WinMFS for expanding the OLED S3. That, alas, worked for me too.

    So thanks for directing me to that thread, even if it were for the wrong reason!
    Tom
     
  17. Jul 24, 2013 #9637 of 10248
    unitron

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    Just for the record, jmfs does not recognize a drive from anything older than the S3 HD and HD XL as a valid TiVo drive, and of course the original S3, the OLED model, came first, so it's among the ones older than the HD.
     
  18. Jul 24, 2013 #9638 of 10248
    nooneuknow

    nooneuknow TiVo User Since 2007

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    Yeah, I thought about that after I posted. But I knew if you didn't stumble upon the right method, somebody else would point you there. I don't have anything older than a TiVo HD. So, I'm not the expert on the S3 OLED, but there's plenty around here.

    I'm happy to see you got where you needed to be.
     
  19. Jul 25, 2013 #9639 of 10248
    unitron

    unitron Active Member

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    Apologies, I didn't read your post as thoroughly as I should have.

    Are you unable to use WinMFS to do the copy and expansion?

    (if using WinMFS, do the copy, then turn it down when it offers to expand, then click on mfsadd to do the expand as a separate step. I do not know why this is necessary, but it is and if you do it that way it should work fine)
     
  20. Jul 25, 2013 #9640 of 10248
    mattack

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    jmfs only works for TivoHD & Premiere, not OLED S3.
     

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