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Drive Expansion and Drive Upgrade FAQ

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by bkdtv, Oct 19, 2007.

  1. alyssa

    alyssa Active Member

    what external case are people using these days?

    i've got a Antec mx-1 that's having a fan issue. Not sure if I can hold on long enough to get the fan replacement.
  2. dianebrat

    dianebrat Uncontrolled Force

    Jul 6, 2002
    It can live with a sick fan for longer than you can live with it making noise and driving you insane :)

    With the original S3 now being able to take a 2TB drive the solution a lot of us have moved to is a single 2TB internal drive.
  3. alyssa

    alyssa Active Member

    yeah, the noise is driving us crazy. I was even thinking of putting the drive in my hot swap thingy.

    good to know my annoyance with the noise is the biggest worry. I've instructed everyone in the house. "if the tivo asks to unmarry the external hdd, turn the tv off & come find me".
  4. nooneuknow

    nooneuknow TiVo User Since 2007

    I just received a shipment of six WD20EADS-00S2B0 HARCHV2AA 2TB Western Digital hard drives, as replacements for some degraded/defective ones I sent back. They're factory recertified replacements, still sealed.

    PM me if you'd like to make me an offer. If you'd like, I could pre-image them for either TiVo HD, or 2-tuner Premiere. I don't need them, because I already bought EURS AV-GP replacements, when Newegg had them on special.

    I know some don't like/trust 4K drives, so I figured these 512-byte sector ones may be of interest to some of you.
  5. dougdingle

    dougdingle HD Tech

    Jul 4, 2007
    West Coast
    I am in the same boat, have had the identical experiences, and unfortunately, it appears there are no tools currently available to do what we need. It is doable (weaknees offers it as a service if you buy a drive from them), but I suspect it's all done manually.

    What I have done for the moment is use the program DVRbars:


    to image and refresh both internal and external S3 drives. It is a straight byte-for-byte copy and restore program that works in Windows and does what it says.

    With the help of a clever and experienced guy from that thread, we are investigating doing it manually, but it's slow going.

    If Spike is still around, it would be nice if he changed his pages to reflect that combining two into one on the S3 is not possible with his software.
  6. unitron

    unitron Active Member

    Apr 28, 2006
    semi-coastal NC
    Sorry I didn't see your post earlier.

    I no longer get notification emails from this site.

    Boot from the UBCD

    Go to hard drive menu, go to the diagnostics menu, there are two version of the WD software from which to choose--go with the newer one, I think it's 9.4

    I promise you it's on there, I just used it a few days ago to pre-test a 20EURS before putting it into service.
  7. dlfl

    dlfl Cranky old novice

    Jul 6, 2006
    Near Dayton, Ohio
    Question about creating a 2 TB upgrade HDD for a Tivo HD (model 652) using a WinMFS truncated backup (i.e., not transferring recordings) taken from a 1 TB HDD running 11.0k :

    I would like to do this in one step using WinMFS -- the TiVo is in a very difficult to reach location so hooking it up for intermediate testing (i.e., after restoring but prior to expanding) is very difficult.

    In an earlier post:
    I then questioned the need for the intermediate hookup test and was told it was just a "one step at a time" preference.

    My question is:
    If I choose not to do the intermediate hookup test, can I go ahead and accept when WinMFS offers to expand (during the restore process) or do I still need to do it as a separate mfsadd step?

    Another question is about the swap size. Is it advisable to increase it to say 1GB and if so can I do that during the WinMFS restore/expand/supersize ?
  8. jmbach

    jmbach der Neuerer

    Jan 1, 2009
    Intermediate testing is not required just a recommendation.
    Whenever I tried to expand right after restore, WinMFS hangs but if I say no to expand right after restore followed by running MFSAdd it works just fine. Remember to say no to limit the expansion to 1TB.

    You can specify the swap size during the restore process. FWIW, the 2TB premiere XL4 with its 2TB drive only has a 128mb swap size. That being said I did increase mine to 1024mb.
  9. ThreeSoFar

    ThreeSoFar FourNow...WaitFive

    May 24, 2002
    Thanks for the reply.

    I want to try this...but where can I download the thing?


    I go to this site and all I see are explanations and ads, no actual link to download anything.

    Way to many damn ads...has to be the wrong place.

    So of course I go here:


    ANd I see this I can download:


    What good will that be? It says downloads "Downloads/firefox-0.8.tar".


    ETA: Aha! Is this it? ubcd524.iso from:


    Here's the sha1sum of the first chunk (it's not done downloading yet):

    -rw-r--r-- 1 rackoblack rackoblack 20000000 Jun 14 01:37 xaa

    b810f6ce03d0f8ade266300673c358abb4644a91 xaa
  10. ThAbtO

    ThAbtO TiVoholic by the bay

    Apr 6, 2000
    SF Bay Area
    On the download page,


    Don't click on the link with the names, look to the left and click on the little icon (a disk drive with an arrow) and that will start the download. The link on the right is just a link to the host.

    Download the .ISO file and save it, unless you are ready to burn a CD while it downloads.

    Attached Files:

    • ubcd.jpg
      File size:
      23.5 KB
  11. ThreeSoFar

    ThreeSoFar FourNow...WaitFive

    May 24, 2002
    Clicking on any of those brings up just yet another damn ad site with no clear way to download it. None at all. MOre adds, and always "ultimatebootcd" is one of those ads.

    Please give me a sha1sum of the complete iso in case I ever find the damn thing.
  12. ThreeSoFar

    ThreeSoFar FourNow...WaitFive

    May 24, 2002
    Namely, this:


    Oh, but this one gets something:


    I think I have two copies now, from different sites. If they agree, I'll try this.

    (I miss FTP.)
  13. nooneuknow

    nooneuknow TiVo User Since 2007

    I was just thinking of TiVo's own website with their gigantic SUBMIT buttons, that only work if your mouse is dead-center on the button. Sometimes, it's best to have that extra bar on the bottom of your browser that gives you an indication of what, if anything, will happen when clicking on things ...or if anything is happening.

    The UBCD site is much easier to navigate with that on, as well.
  14. ThreeSoFar

    ThreeSoFar FourNow...WaitFive

    May 24, 2002
    I think I have UBCD524 burned properly now.

    If someone has that iso someplace, please post a sha1sum of it here to give me some confidence it's the right one. It's 519M so it's not nothin...
  15. ThAbtO

    ThAbtO TiVoholic by the bay

    Apr 6, 2000
    SF Bay Area
    Scroll down about a page until you see part of the page similar to what I posted. Its a tiny icon so its easy to miss. I am downloading it right now, ubcd524.iso, is the file.

    If you notice in my posted picture, see the dotted square around one of those icons (to the left of "PC Babble"), I had clicked it and it downloads.
  16. JohnnyO

    JohnnyO Crimper

    Nov 3, 2002
    Twin Cities, Minnesota
    The 1GB upgraded drive I installed in a TiVoHD in 2008 is starting to fail, so I'm going to replace it with a similar (or 2 GB) drive. Looking at the note string, WinMFS seems a strong favorite tool these days. What version do folks recommend? It looks like 9.3Beta f and g are the most recent.
  17. unitron

    unitron Active Member

    Apr 28, 2006
    semi-coastal NC

    Almost forgot, be sure your problem is really a failing drive and not a failing power supply (although it could be both)

    --we now return you to your regularly scheduled post--

    Unless you're living in Australia and upgrading an Australian model TiVo, use 9.3f

    The documentation isn't exactly up to date--I guess spike has better things to do these days, like maybe making a living.

    If you don't already have it and can't register to download it, email or PM me through this site (TCF).

    You need to be running version 11.0k of the TiVo software to use a 2TB drive Maybe a previous version will work but "k" is the most recent so you might as well have it anyway, and if you've had the TiVo online lately you probably do.

    You copy the old drive to the new one or restore a .tbk WinMFS truncated image file to the new drive, and then tell it no when it says there's extra space, do you want to expand.

    Then you select the new drive and click on mfsinfo, and make sure everything looks okay.

    At that point you can then expand by using mfsadd (part of WinMFS, as are mfscopy and mfsinfo), and telling it not to limit partition size to 1.2TB, or you can take the unexpanded drive and put it in the TiVo and make sure it works okay and then hook it back up to the PC and use WinMFS to expand.

    If you've restored from a pre-11.0k truncated image, then you need to do that to get it up to "k" first anyway.

    Start looking for a good deal on a 2TB WD20EURS.
  18. unitron

    unitron Active Member

    Apr 28, 2006
    semi-coastal NC
    Since my newest UBCD .iso is from over a year ago I figured I grab the latest one.

    Clicked on the little (shades of Win 3.0) drive icon (figured that one out last time around) for older geeks, which launched their web page (or at least one of them) with a bunch of stuff on it and the actual thing to click for the download way down near the bottom, so be warned.

    Once I found the right place it downloaded quickly and smoothly.
  19. bomberjim

    bomberjim New Member

    Aug 30, 2003
    Rapid City South Dakota
    I'm interested in re-upgrading my wife's Tivo HD. Currently it's running a 500GB drive that was created with InstantCake back when it was purchased. I have a (virtually) unused 1.5 TB Seagate drive (ST 31500541AS) that I'd like to upgrade to. I have several questions as follows:

    1. Any reason that this model Seagate wouldn't work?

    2. I've downloaded Winfms beta 9.3f is this the best program to use? Are the most current instructions on page 1 of this thread?

    3. I assume I can use the current 500GB drive as the source and the 1.5 TB drive as the target, correct?

    4. Anything else I should be careful of or need to know? I've tried to read some of the info on this thread, but it's getting quite long. :)

    Thanks very much,
    Jim L
  20. jmbach

    jmbach der Neuerer

    Jan 1, 2009
    No. Essentially any drive will work. The issues you may have with a non AV drive is noise, heat, and shortened time to failure. The operative word is 'may'.

    Yes and most probably.


    Check the drive for errors with the manufacturer diagnostic before you start writing to it. Make sure you run WinMFS as administrator. Everything takes longer than you think.

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