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Drive Expansion and Drive Upgrade FAQ

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by bkdtv, Oct 19, 2007.

  1. Mar 30, 2013 #9461 of 10248
    halfempty

    halfempty New Member

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    Thank you both! Was planning on upgrading next week, you just saved me the trouble and expense of doing it the old way.
     
  2. Mar 30, 2013 #9462 of 10248
    unitron

    unitron Active Member

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    I'm not sure what extra expense (if we're talking money) would have been involved, but you should run the manufacturer's diagnostics' long test on that 2TB before doing anything else with it, just to be on the safe side.
     
  3. Mar 30, 2013 #9463 of 10248
    halfempty

    halfempty New Member

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    Thought I had to buy an intermediate 1TB drive then JMFS to 2TB. I will take your advice and run extended diags on the new drive.
     
  4. Apr 11, 2013 #9464 of 10248
    John Wilson

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    Chippewa...
    If I am going to copy the programs over using MfsCopy, is that the step where I would change the swap size to 1028MB or can it be done at a later step?

    I just went through this process with upgrading a TiVo HDXL from a 1.0GB to a 1.5GB and I think I forgot to change the swap size from the default 128MB to something larger. Am I hosed? :confused:
     
  5. Apr 27, 2013 #9465 of 10248
    slsmag

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    Just a quick note of THANKS to the entire TiVo community here:

    I recently saw a TiVo S3HD on eBay - I suspected it wasn't working (because the seller said he 'couldn't test it' and that he had no idea if it was on a service plan). The ad included a photo of the back of the unit & the service ID# and a quick call to TiVo confirmed that the unit had a lifetime service plan. I was able to buy the box for $132.50 & shipping.

    Upon arrival and hook-up it was clear something wasn't working - the guided set-up couldn't get past one of the set-up screens - the progress spinner just kept spinning on 'preparing'. Called TiVo (waste of time) and the cust serv rep told me 'it can take up to 24 hours'... so I let sit for a day. Called again and another rep told me to do the set up without a source/antenna plugged in (waste of time)... called a third time and another rep wanted me to replace ethernet cables, bypass my Ethernet switch, etc. (waste of time). Bigger waste of time: he told me he thought the NIC was bad (absurd) and that he could exchange the S3 for $99 and sell me a new lifetime subscription for an additional $199. (thanks - but no thanks).

    A visit to this forum led me to the kickstart codes - which allowed me to confirm in less than 5 minutes that indeed it was the hard drive that was bad.

    Then I read about 'approved drives' for replacement/upgrade and discovered that the WD 1TB external drive that I had from use with my Time Warner dvr was on the list.. so I pulled that from the external box...

    Then I read more about how and where to download a truncated image for the S3 - and read more about how and where to download and use winMFS.

    Opened up my desktop computer, pulled the SATA & power cable from the optical drive, hooked them up to the bare WD, ran winMFS (as administrator on my Windows 7 PC) - pointed it to the new drive and the image file...

    And I now have a 1TB S3HD added to my network.

    There's no way I could have done all of that - especially so quickly - without the terrific contributions from the people in this community and this forum.

    THANK YOU!

    RESOURCES:
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    WinMFS v.9.3f:
    mfslive[dot]org

    Truncated S3 image file "648250b.tbk":
    dl[dot]dropbox[dot]com/u/49887720/648250b[dot]tbk
    this is a 'clean' image with no TiVo Service ID# - after installing your newly imaged hard drive you must go to Tivo Settings and select "CLEAR AND DELETE EVERYTHING" so your TiVo will write it's TSID# to the hard drive.

    NOTES for novices hesitating to do this upgrade:

    1) Using winMFS you are not limited to replacing your dead HD with one of the same size.

    2) When executing winMFS, don't just double click on it (it won't work) - RIGHT CLICK and select 'RUN AS ADMINISTRATOR'.

    3) If you are using a truncated ISO file that you downloaded (ie: not made from the TiVo you are upgrading/repairing) then as soon as you boot the repaired TiVo you MUST go to settings and do a 'CLEAR and DELETE EVERYTHING' (at least on the S3) - otherwise your TiVo service number will not be written to the drive (and won't appear in your system info screen) and this will prevent you form being able to record anything - and throw error code #51.

    - Michael

    (2) Series 2 (lifetime)
    Toshiba TiVo/DVD
    TiVo Premier (lifetime)
    TiVo Original S3 HD (1TB) (lifetime)
     
  6. Apr 28, 2013 #9466 of 10248
    Tdub

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    I am about to upgrade my TiVoHD(652160) using a WD AV-GP WD20EURS drive. I have two questions.
    1. Is it better to use WinMFS or JMFS?
    2. Do you still need to set jumpers 7 and 8 on the Eurs drive, to accomodate its Advanced Format feature, even though I have the latest version of the Tivo OS (11.0)?
    (I bought the Tivo from "tivo-pro" on ebay 4 years ago. He had cutom upgraded it to a (single) Hitachi 1tb drive.)
    Thanks.
     
  7. Apr 28, 2013 #9467 of 10248
    hummingbird_206

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    I love stories like this. Congrats on your now working TiVo!
     
  8. Apr 28, 2013 #9468 of 10248
    ThAbtO

    ThAbtO TiVoholic by the bay

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    You can use WinMFS and go straight to the 2TB drive, with the original Tivo software of 11.0k. When properly MFSAdd'd and supersized, it should have 315+ hrs.
     
  9. May 3, 2013 #9469 of 10248
    DTxAg

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    Any idea what would cause an S3 (TCD648250B) to boot from the stock 250GB drive but get stuck on the Powering Up screen whenever I try to boot from a new WD drive? I've tried 500GB and 1TB drives, tried with WinMFS with truncated copies from the same TiVo and another S3, restored from an old instantcake copy, etc. Nothing works except the stock drive.
     
  10. May 3, 2013 #9470 of 10248
    ThAbtO

    ThAbtO TiVoholic by the bay

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    You probably need to run WDidle3.exe /D
     
  11. May 3, 2013 #9471 of 10248
    DTxAg

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    Doesn't that problem just require a hard reboot with the plug pulled? I never heard that a TiVo would get stuck on the power up screen even after pulling the plug and putting it back in.
     
  12. May 3, 2013 #9472 of 10248
    jmbach

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    Would not hurt to check the wdidle3 setting. Other things to check are the capacitors on the hard drive, run the manufacturer diagnostic on the drive, and re image the drive. Try DvrBARS to backup the working drive and restore to the other drive.
     
  13. May 3, 2013 #9473 of 10248
    bs1211

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    Hi,

    I have done this upgrade on the old replaytv's and didn't have this many issues with it. I know I am getting older and it is probably my skill set diminishing, but I cannot get this damn thing to work! Ugh...

    1. Add the drive
    2. Open WinMFS under admin rights
    3. select the drive in Win MFS
    4. I back up the drive using the WinMFS.
    5. remove the drive
    6. add the new drive
    7. open WinMFS under admin rights.
    8. Restore the image to the wd20eurs drive
    9. click yes to the prompt for the 1tb warning
    10. supersize the drive.
    11. add the new drive to the tivo.
    12. turn it on (and pray) :>)
    13. it keeps getting stuck on the powering up screen.


    I tried the other utility folks have mentioned, DvrBARS, but had no luck with that one either.

    I put the old drive back in the tivo and it works, so it is not a capacitor issue, none have popped (I have seen them pop before on a computer).

    Please help? I have 3 of these HD tivos and 3 of the drives and have spent the last week fighting with them.

    Does anyone have an image I could just copy to the drives and skip all of the other steps?

    Help

    Help

    Help

    Help

    :>)
     
  14. May 4, 2013 #9474 of 10248
    jmbach

    jmbach der Neuerer

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    What model HDs do you have. In the mean time after expand and supersize with WinMFS, try fixboot. The last person I worked with on this issue have a problem with block0 being incomplete preventing the Tivo from booting up completely. If fixboot doesn't work then we can manually fix block 0
     
  15. May 4, 2013 #9475 of 10248
    ThAbtO

    ThAbtO TiVoholic by the bay

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    You may need to run wdilde3.exe /D. To do it, you would need to boot up to an environment other than windows, like DOS.
     
  16. May 4, 2013 #9476 of 10248
    jmbach

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    What are you using to copy the drive and are you doing a straight copy or expand and supersize as well. Have you tried booting up the new drive right after copying it before anything else was done.
     
  17. May 4, 2013 #9477 of 10248
    bs1211

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    I have a Series 3 TCD652160 unit.

    Tried another round this morning with new drive and it still gets stuck and the original drive gets stuck on the powering up.

    I did a straight copy, copy and supersize, etc... all of the stuff it says to do many times over.

    I am afraid to pull another hard drive from another tivo hd unit i have and have it do the same thing.

    Does anyone have an image for these 2tb wd20eurs drives i can use?

    The worst part is the unit I tried to do is for my kids and has all of the kids shows and recordings on it.

    Another day and I might go nuts with all of the comments from the wife about screwing it up....
     
  18. May 4, 2013 #9478 of 10248
    MPSAN

    MPSAN Active Member

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    I upgraded to a 2TB from an original 160GB drive. The 2TB was a WD20EZRX, but should not matter. What I did was run WDIDLE3 /D anyway from a bootable CD. Make sure no other HDD's are connected, and I disabled without an issue. I do not know how you connect the 2TB drive, but I used WIN XP and connected both the 160GB and the 2 TB to the Motherboard. Is the source drive at the latest software 11.0k as that is required for a 2 TB drive.
     
  19. May 5, 2013 #9479 of 10248
    bs1211

    bs1211 New Member

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    Got it fixed with a backup image and DVRBARS utility. all it took was 1 hour.
     
  20. May 6, 2013 #9480 of 10248
    unitron

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