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Drive Expansion and Drive Upgrade FAQ

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by bkdtv, Oct 19, 2007.

  1. Mar 3, 2013 #9421 of 10248
    S3-2501

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    I've got a WD20EURS on the way for an emergency drive replacement for a 648 series 3, and just want to make sure my understanding of the current upgrade discussion about the 648 model is correct before the new drive arrives.

    I have a WinMFS backup sourced from a 648 version k 1TB drive, not from an original 250GB drive.

    Can I do the following to fully prep the new WD20EURS for the installation in the 648?

    1. Restore my version k WinMFS backup of the 1TB drive to the WD20EURS (with optimized format and 1024MB swap size)
    2. Let it expand when prompted
    3. Supersize
    4. Install drive in the Tivo and have access to all 318HD HRS

    Or am I missing something here?
     
  2. Mar 3, 2013 #9422 of 10248
    unitron

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    It may not offer you the option on the optimized partition layout, it may just do it the way the S3s come from the factory (which is "with", as has been the case since the first S2).

    It might be only when doing mfscopy (from another drive) rather than restore (from a .tbk file) that it offers that.

    So, you run WD's long test on the WD20EURS before you put it into service (while you carefully examine the power supply for bad capacitors), then you connect it to a PC with a motherboard that's not a GigaByte* brand, then you boot into Windows and start WinMFS.

    Then you click select drive, make sure you select the EURS, click on restore, point it towards the correct .tbk file, specify the swap size, click start and wait until it says that it's finished.

    At that point there will be 250GB worth of 13 partitions on there and a 14th really big Apple Free, but you won't see that unless you say no when it says you have extra space and asks if you want to use it.

    If you say yes, it'll then say something about do you want to limit the partition size to 1.2TB or something about that size. Choose whichever option says do not limit the size.

    After it does that you'll have a 3rd MFS pair where the Apple Free partition was, filling the drive.

    Supersize and enjoy.

    *If it is a GigaByte board we can work around the dangers.
     
  3. Mar 3, 2013 #9423 of 10248
    S3-2501

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    Wow, thanks for the fast reply Unitron! My main concern was that the backup source having been 1TB might for some reason cause partition issues during the restore/expand.

    I was planing on doing the restore/expand via USB, the same way I made the backup. Is there some reason it needs to be by done by direct MB connection?

    If all goes well, the drive will be here Tuesday. Once everythng's up and running, I'll be sure to post a follow up!
     
  4. Mar 3, 2013 #9424 of 10248
    unitron

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    WinMFS will, or at least should, work via USB.

    I've never done the long test via USB, so I can't guarantee it's doable that way, but you can find out.
     
  5. Mar 3, 2013 #9425 of 10248
    John Wilson

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    Chippewa...
    I just completed my upgrade from the original 250GB internal plus a 500GB external to a new WD20EURS using WinMFS only. Like Unitron suggested, I ran the long WD diagnostic first to help ensure I was starting out with a good drive. I then proceeded like was suggested in my last post. I'll show what my partition tables looked like both before and after the expansion.

    Before:

    Partition Maps
    #: type name length base ( size )
    1 Apple_partition_map Apple 63@1 ( 31.5K)
    2 Image Bootstrap 1 1@268618469 ( 512.0 )
    3 Image Kernel 1 8192@268618470 ( 4.0M)
    4 Ext2 Root 1 524288@268626662 ( 256.0M)
    5 Image Bootstrap 2 1@269150950 ( 512.0 )
    6 Image Kernel 2 8192@269150951 ( 4.0M)
    7 Ext2 Root 2 524288@269159143 ( 256.0M)
    8 Swap Linux swap 262144@269683431 ( 128.0M)
    9 Ext2 /var 524288@269945575 ( 256.0M)
    10 MFS MFS application region 589824@270469863 ( 288.0M)
    11 MFS MFS media region 216747657@271649511 ( 103.4G)
    12 MFS MFS application region 2 589824@271059687 ( 288.0M)
    13 MFS MFS media region 2 268618405@64 ( 128.1G)

    Total SA SD Hours: 259 Total DTV SD Hours: 226 96 % Free
    Software: 11.0k-01-2-648 Tivo Model: TCD648250B

    After:

    Partition Maps
    #: type name length base ( size )
    1 Apple_partition_map Apple 63@1 ( 31.5K)
    2 Image Bootstrap 1 1@485366126 ( 512.0 )
    3 Image Kernel 1 8192@485366127 ( 4.0M)
    4 Ext2 Root 1 524288@485374319 ( 256.0M)
    5 Image Bootstrap 2 1@485898607 ( 512.0 )
    6 Image Kernel 2 8192@485898608 ( 4.0M)
    7 Ext2 Root 2 524288@485906800 ( 256.0M)
    8 Swap Linux swap 2097152@486431088 ( 1.0G)
    9 Ext2 /var 524288@488528240 ( 256.0M)
    10 MFS MFS application region 589824@489052528 ( 288.0M)
    11 MFS MFS media region 216747657@268618469 ( 103.4G)
    12 MFS MFS application region 2 589824@489642352 ( 288.0M)
    13 MFS MFS media region 2 268618405@64 ( 128.1G)
    14 MFS MFS App by Winmfs 2048@490232176 ( 1.0M)
    15 MFS MFS Media by Winmfs 3416780800@490234224 ( 1.6T)

    Total SA SD Hours: 2082 Total DTV SD Hours: 1817 100 % Free
    Software: 11.0k-01-2-648 Tivo Model: TCD648250B

    As you can see, the number of partitions increased by 2 and the last one now has a size of about 1.6TB. I set the swap size to 1024MB as suggested. I don't anticipate any issues as others have not had any to my best recollection.

    Good luck with your upgrade. Do look at the caps. I had previously had mine replaced so I was good to go.
     
  6. Mar 3, 2013 #9426 of 10248
    unitron

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    Did you have to divorce the external and lose all recordings first?
     
  7. Mar 4, 2013 #9427 of 10248
    John Wilson

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    Yes, I did the divorce and lost the recordings. Fortunately, I copied the ones I wanted to save to both my computer and another TiVo. Unitron, thanks for the heads up about the curl.conf issue on the TiVo Desktop. It saved me ALOT of time and headache. :)
     
  8. Mar 5, 2013 #9428 of 10248
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    My WD20EURS just arrived, and I'm currently running the Western Digital Lifeguard Diagnostics Extended test via eSATA connecton in Windows.

    Before starting the test I dd the restore, and the steps did not go as expected.

    First, I selected the 1TB backup file and restored it wth a 1024MB swap. It asked me if I wanted to expand, and I said yes. At this point it said it was done, but when I clicked the close button I got the message "are you sure you want to cancel and close?" I first said no, but then when nothing happened clicked close again and then answered yes.

    At this point, the drive's partitions looked like this:
    tition Maps
    #: type name length base ( size )
    1 Apple_partition_map Apple 63@1 ( 31.5K)
    2 Image Bootstrap 1 1@485364800 ( 512.0 )
    3 Image Kernel 1 8192@485364801 ( 4.0M)
    4 Ext2 Root 1 524288@485372993 ( 256.0M)
    5 Image Bootstrap 2 1@485897281 ( 512.0 )
    6 Image Kernel 2 8192@485897282 ( 4.0M)
    7 Ext2 Root 2 524288@485905474 ( 256.0M)
    8 Swap Linux swap 2097152@486429762 ( 1.0G)
    9 Ext2 /var 524288@488526914 ( 256.0M)
    10 MFS MFS application region 589824@489051202 ( 288.0M)
    11 MFS MFS media region 216747008@268617792 ( 103.4G)
    12 MFS MFS application region 2 589824@489641026 ( 288.0M)
    13 MFS MFS media region 2 268617728@64 ( 128.1G)
    14 Apple_Free Extra 3416798317@490230850 ( 1.6T)

    So I clicked on MFSADD and was asked if I wanted to limit it to 1TB. I said no.

    That updated the partitions to:

    #: type name length base ( size )
    1 Apple_partition_map Apple 63@1 ( 31.5K)
    2 Image Bootstrap 1 1@485364800 ( 512.0 )
    3 Image Kernel 1 8192@485364801 ( 4.0M)
    4 Ext2 Root 1 524288@485372993 ( 256.0M)
    5 Image Bootstrap 2 1@485897281 ( 512.0 )
    6 Image Kernel 2 8192@485897282 ( 4.0M)
    7 Ext2 Root 2 524288@485905474 ( 256.0M)
    8 Swap Linux swap 2097152@486429762 ( 1.0G)
    9 Ext2 /var 524288@488526914 ( 256.0M)
    10 MFS MFS application region 589824@489051202 ( 288.0M)
    11 MFS MFS media region 216747008@268617792 ( 103.4G)
    12 MFS MFS application region 2 589824@489641026 ( 288.0M)
    13 MFS MFS media region 2 268617728@64 ( 128.1G)
    14 MFS MFS App by Winmfs 2048@490230850 ( 1.0M)
    15 MFS MFS Media by Winmfs 3416780800@490232898 ( 1.6T)

    Total SA SD Hours: 2082 Total DTV SD Hours: 1817 90 % Free
    Software: 11.0k-01-2-648 Tivo Model: TCD648250B

    At which point I did supersize. Not sure why the extra MFSADD step was needed, but apparently it was.

    It looks like the extended test will take over 5 hours, so it's going to be a while till I post back with how it's working. Note I used WinMFS 9.3f, in case that matters
     
  9. Mar 5, 2013 #9429 of 10248
    unitron

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    Are you saying that you put the image on the EURS before you ran the long test on it?
     
  10. Mar 5, 2013 #9430 of 10248
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    Yes. The test is humming along now, with 4H 39M to go. This way when it's done (assuming it passes the test) I can pop it right in and see how it works. I know this extended test works with an imaged drive since it confirmed the Tivo imaged drive I'm replacing had bad/unreparable sectors, also validating the Tivo's kickstart 54 extended test failure.
     
  11. Mar 5, 2013 #9431 of 10248
    jmbach

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    This is how my WinMFS behaved. Have been running my S3 going on 4 months now.
     
  12. Mar 5, 2013 #9432 of 10248
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    Well, after 6.5 hours the drive passed the extended test. I put it in the Tivo and it's green screened. I'll report back if it works itself out....
     
  13. Mar 5, 2013 #9433 of 10248
    unitron

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    If the backup image came from a 648 (you did say 648, right?) other than the one you put the drive in, it's going to have to work that out.
     
  14. Mar 5, 2013 #9434 of 10248
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    Yeah, the image is from a different 648. So if I let it sit it should work itself out then?

    Edit: It just booted up and I've initiated a clear and delete everything to start fresh...
     
  15. Mar 6, 2013 #9435 of 10248
    unitron

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    You might have to restart it a time or three. It'll tell you if it wants you to.
     
  16. Mar 6, 2013 #9436 of 10248
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    Just finished the guided setup and the drive reports all 318Hrs, so looks like it's all good!
     
  17. Mar 11, 2013 #9437 of 10248
    herrjavier

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    Sorry if this has been asking before, but I'm gonna upgrade my series 3 HD for first time. I'm thinking to use a Mediasonic HF2-SU3S2 ProBox 4 bay hard drive enclosure, it has eSATA, with the winMFS in order to upgrade the hard drive.

    Should it work?

    Thanks for help
     
  18. Mar 11, 2013 #9438 of 10248
    unitron

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    You're going to use the Mediasonic to connect the hard drives to the PC to do the copy and expand?

    The Mediasonic is not going to be connected to the TiVo itself?

    If it allows the PC to see both drives as separate drives I don't see why it won't work.
     
  19. Mar 11, 2013 #9439 of 10248
    ThAbtO

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    I used this for my last Tivo restoration and it works well. Its all SATA dock.
     
  20. Mar 11, 2013 #9440 of 10248
    herrjavier

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    Yes, the idea is to put both drives in the enclosure, the old 160gb drive and the new 1tb and use the winMFS to clone and expand... I was asking because I have been reading this post for a while and haven't seen anybody using an enclosure to do it, and I thought maybe there is a reason why ;)
    But as you said if the pc see them as a separate drives should be possible, let's try.

    Thanks
     

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