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Drive Expansion and Drive Upgrade FAQ

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by bkdtv, Oct 19, 2007.

  1. Feb 24, 2013 #9401 of 10248
    unitron

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    Positively electrifying.

    :D
     
  2. Feb 24, 2013 #9402 of 10248
    reubanks

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    I'm SHOCKED that you would say that!:eek:
     
  3. Feb 24, 2013 #9403 of 10248
    ThAbtO

    ThAbtO TiVoholic by the bay

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    The caffeine is most exhilarating. ;)

    Wouldn't a caffeinated Tivo drive itself to drink? :D
     
  4. Feb 24, 2013 #9404 of 10248
    dianebrat

    dianebrat I refuse to accept your reality TCF Club

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    Coffee makes EVERYTHING better (except sleep that is) :D
     
  5. Feb 24, 2013 #9405 of 10248
    dlfl

    dlfl Cranky old novice

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    Depends on whether you pour the coffee on the TiVo or into your mouth. :D
     
  6. Feb 25, 2013 #9406 of 10248
    dianebrat

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    YES! :up:
    I supersized it, booted up, and it's now 318/2777, perfect numbers.

    I just need to finish off loading the existing programs this week then I can swap over and start using the single drive setup.
     
  7. Feb 25, 2013 #9407 of 10248
    jmbach

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    Supersizing takes away from tivo video clip storage (advertising) space and gives it to your recording space.

    Sent from my SPH-L710 using Tapatalk 2
     
  8. Feb 26, 2013 #9408 of 10248
    Teeps

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    Interesting; I wondered why half the time there is no advertisement banner on the TiVo Central screen.

    A side note:
    What is the point of this?: Sent from my SPH-L710 using Tapatalk 2
    Do you get paid to advertise?
     
  9. Feb 26, 2013 #9409 of 10248
    jmbach

    jmbach der Neuerer

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    Nope. Just too lazy to change the default signature.
     
  10. Feb 26, 2013 #9410 of 10248
    John Wilson

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    Chippewa...
    I have a question regarding an external drive. It is a WD 500GB drive in an Antec MX-1 enclosure. The fan in the enclosure is near death and is making a racket. I'm not quite ready to upgrade the internal drive (post to follow soon) so I'd like to put the 500GB in a new enclosure and replug to the OLED S3 TiVo. Questions:

    1. Can I just put the drive into a new eSATA enclosure and connect to the TiVo or will the new S/W in the TiVo prevent this from happening? I was able to use the Antec as its old and back then you could make the TiVo see the generic drive and enclosure.

    2. What enclosure would others suggest to replace the over-priced Antec MX-1? I need one that is reliable and quiet.

    Thanks for your help. This fan is driving me nuts.
     
  11. Feb 26, 2013 #9411 of 10248
    unitron

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    Got any sewing machine oil or 3 in 1?

    Got any light grease?

    You could re-lubricate it with a mixture of those 2.

    Or if you'll post the brand and model number of the fan itself--should be on the label--I might be able to Google-Fu up enough about it to find a drop-in replacement somewhere that you could order.
     
  12. Feb 26, 2013 #9412 of 10248
    dianebrat

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    Call/email Antec, they're VERY good about sending replacements out, the MX-1 is still the best out there, last time I emailed them and said I had bought a 2nd case because it was on sale and now after 3 years both fans were dying, they sent me 2 fan assemblies at n/c.

    And the Tivo doesn't care what case the drive is in, it only cares that it's the same drive it knows from before.
     
  13. Feb 26, 2013 #9413 of 10248
    dianebrat

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    The MX-1 fan assembly is unique, it's not replaceable in that manner, but Antec is very good at sending out replacements.
     
  14. Feb 27, 2013 #9414 of 10248
    John Wilson

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    Chippewa...
    While I appreciate the response to my last post about my MX-1 enclosure issue, it made me think that its probably worth looking at getting rid of the external drive. I have a 648 with the original 250GB drive plus the Antec external with a 500GB. I am running 11.0K version of the software. I managed to get my hands on a WD WD20EURS and I have a PC with a free SATA port and WinMFS installed. Based on what I've read recently I should be able to go from my original 250GB drive to the 2TB drive using just WinMFS. If that is an accurate statement then this is what I plan to do:

    - Power down the TiVo then the external drive.

    - Power up the TiVo alone and divorce the external drive. I know I will lose my recordings but that is the downside of the striping procedure TiVo uses with an external drive. Does the Divorce really work?

    - Power down the TiVo, pull the 250GB and make a truncated backup using WinMFS. Does this save Season Passes and CC pairings?

    - swap the 250GB with the 2TB drive on the PC and do a Restore with a swap size of 512mb

    - answer YES to the question about expanding

    - Select Tools-> MfsSuperSize -> On

    - install 2TB drive and power up

    What steps am I missing or have stated incorrectly? My head is spinning with all of the options and discoveries. I'd like to avoid jfms if possible but I'd like to have a 2TB drive in the unit as its my main recording device.

    Please let me know if you think this will work. If not, what procedure do you suggest?
     
  15. Feb 27, 2013 #9415 of 10248
    unitron

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    First, go to the WD website, put in that 2TB's model number and search and look to your left where it says downloads for the diagnostic software for that model (which is probably the same for all of their current models), then run the long test on that 2TB before putting into service.

    A WinMFS truncated back up of your drive should retain all settings, cable card pairings, etc.

    I'd use a swap size of 1024MB, but that may just be me being overly cautious.

    While you have the TiVo open check the power supply capacitors.

    Actually, it wouldn't hurt to just go ahead and replace the ones on the +5V and +12V line just on GP.

    Restore to the 2TB, and expand and tell it it's okay to go over 1TB or 1.2TB or whatever figure it is that it'll throw at you.

    Then supersize if you wish.

    Remember to always know where both ends of the TiVo's power cable are at all times.

    You can copy off whatever shows aren't copy protected with TiVo Desktop before divorcing and restore them from the PC after the drive change.

    Just remember to edit Desktop's curl.conf file because of the out of date cookie problem.

    And then you can send me the MX-1 and the 500 to play with. :D
     
  16. Feb 27, 2013 #9416 of 10248
    dianebrat

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    dumb question, I keep seeing that mentioned, and I have no problem redoing mine, but I didn't see a place in WinMFS for that and if I just missed it, what's the box say and what numerical value should I use?
     
  17. Feb 27, 2013 #9417 of 10248
    unitron

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    There's a grey box that pops up during restore that gives you a place to check if you want to NOT use the "optimized" partition layout that was introduced in the Series 2s* and also gives you a box with 64 or 128 or whatever MB already filled in for the swap partition size (depending on whatever size that model came with from the factory), but you can change the number in the box.


    *The "optimized layout keeps the same partitions "numbered" the same, but places the 2nd MFS Media partition right after the Apple Partition Map which is the first partition, so that the OS partitions are in the middle and the 1st and 2nd Media partitions are on one end or the other of the drive, supposedly so that it can get from the OS part to either Media partition faster by only swinging the arm across half of the drive from the middle instead of from near the front all the way to the end.

    Of course if you're going onto a bigger (especially a really bigger, like 2TB) drive, and expanding by adding a 3rd MFS pair, then that sort of defeats the purpose somewhat, but I figure do it which ever way it came from the factory so as to change what it's designed for as little as possible, so only on a Series 1 would you select the "non-optimized" layout.

    A few years back I upped an S2 DT from the stock 80GB to a 500GB, but for some reason went with the S1 type layout.

    The TiVo worked fine (except for my mom filling it up too fast), but I could not make a truncated backup of it no matter what I tried, MFS Live or WinMFS.

    And of course when I made a backup of the 80 before copying to the 500 originally I didn't test the backup like I should have, so naturally it didn't work either when I needed it.
     
  18. Feb 27, 2013 #9418 of 10248
    John Wilson

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    Chippewa...
    Thank you for your response. I forgot about running the new drive through its paces before putting all the time and effort to get it "TiVo ready". I do have a copy of the free TiVo Desktop and was planning to offload some programs to that and some to another S3 HD box. I'm confused by the curl.conf statement relating to cookies. Could you elaborate on that issue or direct me to a thread that deals with it? How would one edit that file?

    Its tempting but if I get some love from Antec I have plenty of places to use that combination. ;) Sorry. :D
     
  19. Feb 27, 2013 #9419 of 10248
    unitron

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    At last count I think there were too many to count, but

    http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?t=501069

    http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?t=501067



    Somewhere in all of that, morac explains it all.

    (Hat tip to notting, though, for figuring out where the problem was in the first place)

    Well, shucky darn.
     
  20. Feb 27, 2013 #9420 of 10248
    dianebrat

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    TYVM!
    I've gone by that box multiple times and never thought about it.
    I restored to the 2TB, updated the swap file to 1024MB and then expanded and supersized, I should be all set to drop it in after I finish coping all the items I want off it and onto the server.
     

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