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Drive Expansion and Drive Upgrade FAQ

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by bkdtv, Oct 19, 2007.

  1. Jan 31, 2013 #9341 of 10248
    dlfl

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    You're getting the picture now. It's ALL just user exerience.

    I don't know what size your drives are but I think you will probably save yourself a lot of hassle, and probably money in the long run, by just scrapping (or re-purposing) both of them and upgrading to a new 2 TB internal (WD20EURS) which can be done for $100.
     
  2. Jan 31, 2013 #9342 of 10248
    unitron

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    You mean you never got your copy of "The Official TiVo, Inc., Guide To Doing All Those Things We Never Intended For You To Do Or For Us To Have To Explain To You"?
     
  3. Jan 31, 2013 #9343 of 10248
    dlfl

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    I'm waiting for you and co-author lrhorer to finish it. :D I bet you're having a lot of trouble editing his verbosity down to fit a reasonable page length goal. ;)
     
  4. Jan 31, 2013 #9344 of 10248
    Teeps

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    You're welcome.
    The great thing about this forum, there is little chaff to sift, to get to the desired information.
    And rarely is there blatant misinformation posted. And, when it does appear it's quickly corrected.

    Additionally.
    There is a guy (dvr_dude) on ebay that can combine the recordings from a TiVo internal and external drive and put them on one internal drive of larger size.
    He offers 2TB upgrades for S3 TiVos, of which I have in my S3-OLED TiVo.
     
  5. Feb 2, 2013 #9345 of 10248
    malaplan

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    OK. My MyDVRExpander drive failed and I've read through the upgrade instructions for Tivo HD. I've decided on an internal HD upgrade using WinMFS. Trouble is, the MFSLive forum doesn't give me an option for registering so I can't login to download the program. The MFSLive Forum home page doesn't even give me a way to contact the administrators. Is the site down? Are the board administrators on vacation?
     
  6. Feb 2, 2013 #9346 of 10248
    jmbach

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    You could use JMFS since you mentioned it was a S3HD.

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  7. Feb 2, 2013 #9347 of 10248
    unitron

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    PM sent.

    Don't mention it.

    Seriously, don't.


    What drive do you plan to use for the upgrade?

    Does your PC have a GigaByte brand motherboard?
     
  8. Feb 4, 2013 #9348 of 10248
    malaplan

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    I've got a WD AV-GP 1 TB AV Hard Drive that I plan to use. My PC has an ASUS motherboard.
     
  9. Feb 4, 2013 #9349 of 10248
    malaplan

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    Thanks!
     
  10. Feb 4, 2013 #9350 of 10248
    unitron

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    Better to use WinMFS since you're only going to use a 1TB drive.

    Then later you can still use jmfs to expand that onto a 2TB drive.
     
  11. Feb 5, 2013 #9351 of 10248
    malaplan

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    Thanks so much for your help!
     
  12. Feb 11, 2013 #9352 of 10248
    Mad Chemist

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    Going on a couple of weeks since upgrading my 160GB Tivo HD to 2GB. Replaced the stock 160GB drive with a WD20EURS. Used jmfs to copy and expand and then WinMFS to turn on supersize. Working perfect. Preserved all my recordings, season passes and settings. Thanks to everyone that made this possible!
     
  13. Feb 12, 2013 #9353 of 10248
    A J Ricaud

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    Newegg.com has the Western Digital WD Green WD20EARX 2TB 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive for $84.99 with promo code EMCXVWV34.
     
  14. Feb 19, 2013 #9354 of 10248
    jonapt

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    After ploughing through the posts here, it seems that the recommended path to get to 2TB from a virgin 648 is:

    - Use WinMfs to expand 256GB to 1 TB
    - Use MJFS to copy 1 TB to 2TB
    - Use WinMFS to SuperSize the 2TB

    My 1TB 648's disk died without warning. Pulled it out, and all it does is run re-calibrates every few seconds. It is not recognized by Tivo or the PC. I tried leaving it in the freezer overnight in the hope that it would come up for the few minutes needed to run a truncated backup. Losing the recordings is one thing, re-building the scheduled and suggested programs is another.

    With nothing to copy, it was like upgrading from scratch and I saw no mention of a procedure which does not require an intermediate drive and subsequent copying. Below is the single stage WinMFS process I tried which appears to have worked.

    If you don't have a .tbk of your original 256GB drive you can download one from http://dl.dropbox.com/u/49887720/648250b.tbk (the time to complete is less if you Restore from your machine's .tbk - mine was 11.0g, and so too is the download).

    WinMFS/File/Restore .tbk (with swap space set to 512)
    - "You have extra capacity on your Hard drive. Do you want to expand?"
    - No

    WinMFS/Tools/MFSadd
    - 14 MFS MFS App by Winmfs 2048@488395842 ( 1.0M)
    - 15 MFS MFS Media by Winmfs 3418624000@488397890 ( 1.6T)
    - Total SA SD Hours: 2082 Total DTV SD Hours: 1818 100 % Free
    - Software: 11.0g-01-2-648 Tivo Model: TCD648250B

    WinMFS/Tools/MFS SuperSize
    - 14 MFS MFS App by Winmfs 2048@488395842 ( 1.0M)
    - 15 MFS MFS Media by Winmfs 3418624000@488397890 ( 1.6T)
    - Total SA SD Hours: 2082 Total DTV SD Hours: 1818 100 % Free
    - Software: 11.0g-01-2-648 Tivo Model: TCD648250B

    Partitions 1-13 are same as listed in Post #9253

    Install 2TB drive in 648

    a) If you restore with 648250b.tbk you have to go through initialization, and about 45 minutes later you can pick up at step b).

    b) Clear & Delete Everything.

    c) Go through initialization and about 45 minutes later you have a fully functional 2TB Tivo.

    System Information shows the unit has a capacity of 318 HD hours and 2776 SD hours.

    There could be a disaster waiting in the wings, so will not feel confident until next week, as two things remain to be done:

    1) The software is still at 11.0g and if it does not upgrade to 11.0k in the next couple of days will have to force a kickstart (I expected the software to have been updated during inititalization and/or the reboot after initialization).

    2) Recording have been set to start on the sixth hour every day for 5:55 on two HD channels to build up the hours as quickly as possible. At approximately 40 hours/day for 8 days the Tivo should start reclaiming space to record the "Until I Delete" programs.

    If something goes south, will report back, but at the moment am feeling optimistic.


    BTW, if you happen to respond Yes to Restore's offer to Expand, WinMFS will create an Apple partition. If you do respond Yes accidentally, drop back to Restore and be more careful the second time the question is asked.

    WinMFS/View/MFSInfo/
    - 14 Apple_Free Extra 3417845567 489183600 (1.6T)
    - Total SA SD Hours: 259 Total DTV SD Hours: 226 99 % Free

    Tivo's naming conventions make S3 HD and HD very ambiguous - the 648 and 652 are both Series 3 HD models. Unicon has pleaded a couple of times for writers to use model codes, and it would certainly help to improve readability if his request was honored.
     
  15. Feb 19, 2013 #9355 of 10248
    unitron

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    Don't unhitch that plough just yet.

    As far as is known, jmfs will not recognize a 648 drive as a TiVo drive, even though it will recognize a 652 drive.

    So instead of getting WinMFS to add a 14th and 15th partition, and then getting jmfs to add a 16th, as can be done with the S3 HD, one has to settle for WinMFS adding a 14th and 15th with the 15th, the MFS Media partition, being over 1.2TB in size.

    However, it's starting to look as though if one has version 11.0k of the TiVo OS on one's drive, one can use just WinMFS to upgrade a 652 or even a 648 to 2TB without having to do any hex editing--currently awaiting experimental results.
     
  16. Feb 19, 2013 #9356 of 10248
    jmbach

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    This is what I have done to my 648 and has been working well for past 4 months.
    Jim

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  17. Feb 19, 2013 #9357 of 10248
    unitron

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    Please define "this" more specifically.
     
  18. Feb 19, 2013 #9358 of 10248
    jmbach

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    This. My 648 was expanded to 1TB already. Used WinMFS to copy to 2TB then had it expand it. It partition 15 is now about 1.6TB in size.

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  19. Feb 19, 2013 #9359 of 10248
    unitron

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    Excellent. I assume you used WinMFS to take it to 1TB, but even if you used the MFS Live cd and had a little Apple Free partition on the end, which jmfs wouldn't be able to overcome if jmfs could recognize 648 drives in the first place, WinMFS knows how to change them over to used space with no problem.

    So the 648 up to 2TB method is make sure you're running 11.0k and then do it with WinMFS.

    No hex editing necessary.
     
  20. Feb 19, 2013 #9360 of 10248
    jmbach

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    Yes that is correct. The method I used was using WinMFS only when doing the expansion. (WinMFS was used with the initial expansion to 1TB and then later to 2TB) The OS version is 11.0k. That is the only version I have tested.

    When I was looking to expand to 2TB, I did experiment with the hex editing method which worked as well but in the end it was not necessary.

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