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Drive Expansion and Drive Upgrade FAQ

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by bkdtv, Oct 19, 2007.

  1. Mar 29, 2012 #8541 of 10248
    twoehr

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    It probably wasn't one of those, but just like it. The executable was something like sdisk or sfdisk. The claim to fame for us was using it to fix partitions that became corrupted that fdisk couldn't see or fix. I believe it was around the time of the first EIDE disks that needing the WD code for them to be fully visible by the PC. I think the problem was when you wanted to remove that, but I can't remember. I just know we though we had a systemic issue and were going to have to toss a lot of drives and then somebody found this program and it saved our a$$.

    Anyway, the "long fix" is more than 50% of the way through and it hasn't said anything, yet. I think it gave up and stopped before it finished last time. I don't recall it going the full 2 1/2 hrs estimated.
     
  2. Mar 29, 2012 #8542 of 10248
    unitron

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    That sounds more like an issue with Ontrack's Disk Manager (if I recall the name correctly) dynamic drive overlay software that let you use a bigger hard drive than your BIOS could recognize as long as your OS could handle it.

    Each drive manufacturer had their own version so the name varied from brand to brand.
     
  3. Mar 29, 2012 #8543 of 10248
    twoehr

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    Its probably against some rule of etiquette to quote yourself, but i don't care.

    The "long fix" finished with no errors. So, I've begun the copy again. It is past the point where it hung before. So knock on some silicon wafer, and I may be good.
     
  4. Mar 30, 2012 #8544 of 10248
    twoehr

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    Mission Accomplished!

    The copy completed last night. I was able to extended and supersize without a problem. (I like how fast that is. Didn't it take awhile to expand a drive in the Hinsdale days?) Popped the drive back in, with a greased up fan, and everything is quite and operational.

    Thanks again for the diagnosis!
     
  5. Mar 30, 2012 #8545 of 10248
    unitron

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    Congratulations, now when your family kills you for other reasons unrelated to the TiVo being out of service, they won't have to worry about having missed any of their shows.

    :D
     
  6. Mar 31, 2012 #8546 of 10248
    twoehr

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    Exactly. Technology in the house is my husband/father job security. Once my kids can operate the TV and computer on their own I'll be on the doorstep.
     
  7. Mar 31, 2012 #8547 of 10248
    unitron

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    And you'll have what little remains of your now completely gray hair to keep you warm.

    :D
     
  8. Mar 31, 2012 #8548 of 10248
    David Vaughn

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    Is there anywhere where one could download an image of a TCD 65800 hard drive? I tried replacing the drive with one from model TCD 652160 (non XL) and I can't get the service to activate (getting a hardware failure message).
     
  9. Mar 31, 2012 #8549 of 10248
    unitron

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    David Vaughn

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    David Vaughn

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    OK...now that I have the image, what program do I use to create a new hard drive?

    Thanks.
     
  12. Mar 31, 2012 #8552 of 10248
    unitron

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    That particular image, which has a .tbk extension instead of a .bak extension, needs to be restored to a drive by the WinMFS program.

    Go to mfslive.org

    That's where you can read about and get both the MFS Live bootable cd, which is what you would need for a .bak file, and the WinMFS program, which creates .tbk image files

    Of course if you don't have a PC running Windows XP or newer, we'll have to figure something else out.
     
  13. Mar 31, 2012 #8553 of 10248
    David Vaughn

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    I have a Win 7 machine. I assume I just "restore backup?"
     
  14. Mar 31, 2012 #8554 of 10248
    unitron

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    You have to run WinMFS with admin rights for it to be able to see the drive.

    Do not try looking at the drive with any other program after booting into Windows with the drive attached.

    Run WinMFS, click on select drive, be sure you've got the correct drive selected, then click on "restore" and steer it toward the .tbk file.

    If you're restoring to the XL's original 1TB drive, you won't be able to make the swap partition any larger if it offers that option, and if it shows the checkbox for partition layout, you want the one for Series 2 and up, but read it carefully because it's worded funny.

    Once it starts the process, it can look as though it has frozen. It hasn't. Just wait for it to finish.
     
  15. Apr 1, 2012 #8555 of 10248
    jasel

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    My situation is a little different than I could find in the FAQ. Here's what I have:

    Searies 3 w/ original internal drive and 500gb expander. Starts to boot and have actually gotten it to start update but fails everytime before completing.

    Series 3 w/orig internal and recent 1TB expander. Internal drive dead. when plugged in 4 lights and logo come on. Logo disappears and TV screen turns grey. Nothing else happens.

    Dell desktop w/ Vista 64 and RAID 0 array

    Thinkpad W520 w/docking station (eSATA connection) Win 7 64
    Thermaltake single and dual docks w/ eSATA and USB (dual dock only recognizes both drive through USB).

    No backups.

    Would prefer to use laptop and docks rather than opening desktop.

    Is it likely I might extract a backup from the failing drive? Or will I need instaCake (?)

    If I can get a backup, can I use it to upgrade both Series 3's?

    How do I use the expanders with the upgraded drives? Do I need to get eSATA > USB adapter? Remove drive from enclosure?

    Instead of fixing things when the first drive started failing, I just set it aside. Both boxes have lifetime service, so replacing them is not an option.

    Thanks for any help.
     
  16. Apr 1, 2012 #8556 of 10248
    unitron

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    I don't suppose you live anywhere in the Wilmington-New Bern-Morehead City area?

    Maybe the eSATA connections will be sufficiently close to "bare metal" to work.

    Are those both TCD648250s? TCD652160s? TCD658000s?

    There are images available for all 3 without having to use IC.

    You need to pull the internal drives and run WD's own diagnostic software long test, preferably from the bootable cd version.

    You need to separate the questions of whether the drive itself is failing and whether the TiVo software on the drive has a problem.

    If the long test can find and fix any problems, then maybe Kickstart 58 can fix the software afterward.

    And you should see if you can't run the long test on the expanders as well.

    Maybe even open up the enclosures and extract the drives.


    The second one, the one that goes gray, seems to be unable to communicate with the internal drive, but we don't know why yet. Connector managed to come loose? Dead drive? Until you pick up a #10 Torx driver, who knows?

    The first one, seems to communicate to some extent with the drive, you could try KS 58 before opening it up, but that internal drive ain't gettin' any younger, you still need to run the long test.

    Also, the eSATA cables connecting the expanders could be at fault, or the jacks into which they plug.
     
  17. Apr 1, 2012 #8557 of 10248
    Flappjakk

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    Hi all. I decided last week that I wanted to upgrade my TivoHDs with larger capacity drives. With HDD prices finally falling after that Thailand flood situation, I was able to purchase a Seagate 2TB drive from Newegg for a "reasonable" price. This 2TB drive replaces 2 Seagate 750GB drives I had in RAID 0 in my PC. I used these 2 750 GB drives to upgrade 2 of my TivoHDs. I used WinMFS on Windows 7 Professional x64 and it worked perfectly using "Run as Administrator" as recommended. I removed the original drive from my Master Bedroom TivoHD, copied the drive and expanded (MFS Supersize On) to the first 750 GB drive. I reinstalled the drive and powered up. I noticed immediatly that the new drive is quite a bit louder than the old drive. Googling revealed that I should have used MFSLive after the upgrade to hdparm -M 128 /dev/sdX to tone down the noise. So I upgraded the other TivoHD from my Livingroom using the same WinMFS strategy, then booted into MFSLive and successfully used the hdparm command. I installed the new drive in TivoHD #2. It boots up and is much quieter. I then took the drive out of the first TivoHD that I upgraded and ran the hdparm command to see this drive return an error saying something about this drive not supporting AAM. More Googling revealed that Seagate seems to no longer support AAM on their drives. FAQ 32 of this very thread also mentions this. Is there anyway to make AAM work on this drive? These 2 drives are both Seagate and somehow it worked on the first drive. One of these drives is newer than the other, so maybe the first was old enough to still have AAM capability? Is there any other way to adjust AAM on this drive, or am I stuck doing a switcheroo to put the quieter drive in my bedroom? Sorry for the long read. Thanks to all those who reply.
     
  18. Apr 3, 2012 #8558 of 10248
    GoEagles

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    I have a 1TB WD Caviar Green drive that I want to put in my TiVoHD. The FAQ at the very front mentions a month of September when the Intellipark feature was implemented, but doesn't mention a year. My drive was manufactured in Jan 2009. Would I have to set it using the WDIDLE feature?

    Thanks!
     
  19. Apr 3, 2012 #8559 of 10248
    jasel

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    Took abut 8 hours and several tries but I finally got both Series 3 boxes up and running with 1tb drives.

    Used my Thinkpad, dock, and eSata drive docks.

    The backup from the box that was faltering couldn't be used for the dead one. It left out subscription information and status code that only came from the "dead' drive. I managed to get it to backup after several tries only to find I still had to unmarry it from the expander.

    Finally got a working backup and restored to the new drive and everything worked. 157hrs on each drive, so I'll probably just leave the expanders off for now rather than mess with them again, and adding another failure source to the mix.

    Thanks for the thread and FAQs. Couldn't have done it without them.
     
  20. Apr 3, 2012 #8560 of 10248
    unitron

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    Go here

    http://www.ngohq.com/news/19805-critical-design-flaw-found-in-wd-caviar-green-hdds.html

    Go down to where it says

    How to Adjust Intellipark's Timer

    Click on the

    WDIDLE3 ISO image

    link


    to download the image and then burn yourself a copy.

    Boot with the cd and run wdidle3 against the drive. Either it needs it done and that will do it, or you will find out it doesn't need it and no harm done.

    You might want to get the WD diagnostic software and run the long test on that drive as well to make sure all is well before you put it in the TiVo and start trusting it to record stuff for you.


    If that page isn't available, maybe the direct link will still work

    http://files.ngohq.com/fs/wdidle3.iso
     

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