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Drive Expansion and Drive Upgrade FAQ

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by bkdtv, Oct 19, 2007.

  1. Dec 10, 2011 #8341 of 10248
    unitron

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    I've done small drive to big drive with WinMFS and after the copy it says I've got extra space and do I want to expand.

    Although if you're going 1TB to 2TB it might very well not, because it observes the 1.1TB per drive limit.
     
  2. Dec 11, 2011 #8342 of 10248
    lpwcomp

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    John's...
    As someone else pointed out earlier, expand and supersize are two different things.
     
  3. Dec 11, 2011 #8343 of 10248
    MeInDallas

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    Yeah I got that already. I was just repeating what the instructions said, and the action I took when I prepared the hard drive.
     

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  4. Dec 11, 2011 #8344 of 10248
    seriously_tho

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    Thanks Unitron. I don't have the unit open and dont want to mess with it til I'm ready to swap so no partition info for you now. The drive is audibly clicking regularly, not loud but I know it's a sign of impending doom so the less movement the better right now I think.

    Since prices for a WD are between $150-250 for a 2 tb I'm thinking I may just pay DVR Dude to do the whole swap, not much difference in $$.

    2more ??'s - is there any real advantage to using the WD av-gp drives over a standard Green? and if I opt to replace my 1tb drive with an identical 1tb, could I do the whole transfer with winmfs? (looking to keep things simple).
     
  5. Dec 11, 2011 #8345 of 10248
    unitron

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    If you go with an identical size 1TB (and by indentical I mean the same LBA number), you can do it with dd_rescue on the MFS Live cd v1.4 (available at mfslive.org, and handy to have by anybody who does anything with hard drives, whether they own a TiVo or not)

    dd_rescue -v /dev/sda /dev/sdb

    where sda is the original drive and sdb is the new, target drive, and -v (the verbose option) let's you see what's going on.

    What this method does is a byte for byte clone/Xerox of the source drive, that pays no attention to what software is on the drive because it looks at it at a lower level.

    I have no first hand experience with the av-gp drives.
     
  6. Dec 11, 2011 #8346 of 10248
    lpwcomp

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    John's...
    In context with the post you quoted, you seemed to be implying that it prompts you about supersizing, which it doesn't.
     
  7. Dec 11, 2011 #8347 of 10248
    MeInDallas

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    Yeah see I understand that, and I was talking with Unitron and he pointed that out to me, so I didnt need you to chime in like a hall monitor to correct me. If you want a fight please go to a wresting match or a school yard.
     
  8. Dec 11, 2011 #8348 of 10248
    Soapm

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    So close,...
    Now there's a strange way to say thanks to someone trying to help...
     
  9. Dec 11, 2011 #8349 of 10248
    lpwcomp

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    John's...
    I don't want to fight but if you don't want criticism, you need to be clearer in your posts. You are participating in a public forum. If you wish to have a private conversation with someone, then PM them. Your post was clearly implying that you would be prompted about supersizing, which could lead to other users being confused. One shouldn't be forced to read your mind to "properly" interpret the following:
    The sequence of events is actually:

    1. Copy
    2. When the copy completes, you should be prompted if you want to use the extra space (expand)
    3. Based on the answer, the free space will be allocated.
    4. After that step, you must explicitly select and turn on Supersize if you so desire. It is not a requirement. You will not be prompted to do so. If you leave it off, it will simply result in excessive space being allocated for the TiVo to use for things like teleworld. A supersized 2TB drive will report @318 hours of HD capacity vs. 297(IIRC) for a non supersized one.

    That brings up a question: Has anyone just supersized a stock Premiere XL drive to get the additional capacity? May not be worth the effort unless you are doing a lot of SD recording but just curious as to whether or not it had been done. Also, what does the Elite report as capacity? TiVo specs say 300 hours which is obviously not supersized. And no, I am not suggesting anyone attempt supersizing an Elite drive.

    Edit: Just to be clear, I am aware that a stock Premiere XL drive is only 1TB.
     
  10. Dec 11, 2011 #8350 of 10248
    seriously_tho

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    Blank post to up my postcount to a whopping 5...
     
  11. Dec 11, 2011 #8351 of 10248
    seriously_tho

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    Unitron, I went ahead & pulled it out to backup, here are MSINFO specs -


    [​IMG]


    I ordered a 2tb WD AV-GP drive (the oem drive is also av-gp, 1tb). Think I can do the transfer etc with just winmfs?
     
  12. Dec 11, 2011 #8352 of 10248
    unitron

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    You can use WinMFS to copy to another drive, but you'll need jmfs to expand into that extra 1TB. The question is whether to let jmfs do it all or use WinMFS first and then jmfs.


    As long as you've got the drive out of the TiVo...


    If you'll use WinMFS to make a truncated backup of that drive, and put it on DropBox or SendSpace or somewhere where I can download it, I can restore it to a 1TB, which will then give me the equivalent of an HD XL drive, including partition size and layout, and then experiment on the best way to copy and expand to a 2TB.

    Also, after you make that backup, you could use the WD diagnostic software to run the long test on that drive to see if it's still usable in some capacity or not.

    (or you could just send it to me when you're through with it.:) )
     
  13. Dec 11, 2011 #8353 of 10248
    MeInDallas

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    The way you quoted me, you made it sound as if there is there is no pop up at the end of the process, which there clearly is. Maybe you should be more specific about what you quote when you respond to someone. I cannot read your mind either, and when you misquote people, you confuse others also.
     
  14. Dec 11, 2011 #8354 of 10248
    lpwcomp

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    That's a patent lie. I did not misquote you. I did not even leave out relevant parts of your post or quote you out of context in a manner that made it look worse. Unless you can show otherwise, withdraw that accusation or I will consider filing a formal complaint.
     
  15. Dec 11, 2011 #8355 of 10248
    unitron

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    What you quoted in this post

    http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?p=8851534#post8851534

    right after the "read his mind" remark, was posted by him after we had cleared up the expand/supersize confusion.

    It was in this earlier post of his

    http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?p=8850852#post8850852

    where he said supersize where he should have said expand, but as I indicted we got that straightened out soon thereafter, about 2 hours before your first post

    http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?p=8850987#post8850987

    on the subject appeared.

    Maybe somebody spliced in some slow-wire between you and the TCF servers.
     
  16. Dec 11, 2011 #8356 of 10248
    MeInDallas

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    Go back to the top of this thread to your post #8342 and read the statement you quoted from me. The statement I made is a true and accurate statement. The way you quoted it leads people to believe that it is not true and that I am misleading people. I will not withdraw anything so go file your complaint.
     
  17. Dec 11, 2011 #8357 of 10248
    seriously_tho

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    ^^ People, knock it off. This is the stupidest argument in the history of stupid arguments. Seriously.

    Unitron, I'll post that backup somewhere, size allowing. Look for PM. Not sure you'd want the physical drive, it sounds like a pencil tapping on a desk.
     
  18. Dec 11, 2011 #8358 of 10248
    lpwcomp

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    If not, it's probably pretty close:D, so I hereby call a unilateral truce.
     
  19. Dec 11, 2011 #8359 of 10248
    Soapm

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    So close,...
    In my experience, you can't expand a drive with jfms that has been restored with WinMFS. You have to use WinMFS to expand the drive. jfms won't acknowledge it as a valid tivo drive so won't give you the option to expand it.

    If I am reading the situation right you have to completely restore the image to a 1TB or larger drive using WinMFS then pray jfms will recognize the drive as a valid Tivo drive. I find the program is very picky on what it will acknowledge as a valid Tivo drive which is why I once asked what it's looking for.

    A second reason to restore it to a 1TB drive before using jfms to expand it to 2tb is so you won't end up with a partition larger than 1TB. I don't know for sure if that's what my TivoHD doesn't like but it can't hurt not to have a partition > 1TB.

    PS... One other suggestion, I would make sure the software is up to date prior to copying it to the final drive with jfms. Not sure why but it seems to like that better...
     
  20. Dec 11, 2011 #8360 of 10248
    unitron

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    What usually trips up jmfs is if there's any unpartitioned space on the source drive that can be interpreted as an "Apple Free" partition, because jmfs considers it a valid partition and instead of using it justs puts another partiton beyond it, which usually exceeds the 16 partitions per drive rule.
     

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