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Drive Expansion and Drive Upgrade FAQ

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by bkdtv, Oct 19, 2007.

  1. Oct 18, 2011 #8201 of 10248
    Soapm

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    So close,...
    I want to add to my report, once the drive got just over 300 gigs full it began rebooting every 20 minutes or so. WinMFS may not be the cause but it also may not be the solution.
     
  2. Oct 18, 2011 #8202 of 10248
    lpwcomp

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    So basically, WinMFS can't do what it said it can't do.
     
  3. Oct 18, 2011 #8203 of 10248
    unitron

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    You indicated possesion of an ATX supply in at least one computer.

    Take the cover off of the computer. Take the cover off of the TiVo. Put the TiVo next to the computer. Hook up a portable TV to the TiVo. You should be able to get a power lead out of the computer far enough to connect to the Tivo drive if you put the TiVo drive right next to the computer, and you can borrow the data cable from the boot drive to connect the TiVo drive to the TiVo motherboard. Start the computer, that'll start the TiVo drive. Start the Tivo. See if it works with the power supply only having to power the motherboard. If it does, suspect the power supply of not being able to power both the motherboard and the hard drive.
     
  4. Oct 18, 2011 #8204 of 10248
    TheLongshot

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    Problem is getting the computer, Tivo and TV in the same room. My computer isn't near the Tivo, and the TV near my computer is a el cheapo coax-only SDTV.

    I'll see what I can do...
     
  5. Oct 18, 2011 #8205 of 10248
    unitron

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    You know those little black and white battery/AC portable televisions the drugstores used to sell for $30 or $40, before the digital switchover? Some of them had composite video (yellow jack) and mono audio (white jack) inputs.

    You ought to be able to find one cheap on Craigslist. It'll be good enough to see a TiVo bootup screen.

    Alternatively, if you've got an old VCR still lying around somewhere you can use it to change composite video to channel 3 or 4 RF to feed that TV near your computer.
     
  6. Oct 18, 2011 #8206 of 10248
    ThAbtO

    ThAbtO TiVoholic by the bay

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    Or just get a RF Modulator.
     
  7. Oct 19, 2011 #8207 of 10248
    tuxedo125

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    Rich I have a failing 1.5 GB Seagate ST31500541AS drive which I upgraded to an HD (03/2010). TIVO tech tells me the drive is failing..... it freezes up sometimes during a recorded show. I received an identical drive from Segate under warranty exchange.
    I want to copy with MFScopy the old drive to the new. The old drive is hooked to my PC (Vista Business 32) using a SATA adapter using USB. The new is directly to my MB. WinMFS is currently performing the copy...... slowly given MFS Media Partitions. Will this work?

    What about the step 18 message

    18. Is there anything special I need to do for drives larger than 1TB?

    You must start with an original (non-expanded) TiVo image; images from upgraded TiVos will not work. You must also use WinMFS to prepare drives larger than 1TB. Older tools such as MFSLive and InstantCake do not support >1TB capacities.

    Under the latest version of WinMFS (v9.3f), the following message is displayed when you attempt to use a drive larger than 1TB:

    Do I need to use my original 160GB drive? I would lose all my recordings and settings. How long will it take to copy the MFS Media Partitions?

    Thanks much!!

    Bill Beattie
     
  8. Oct 19, 2011 #8208 of 10248
    unitron

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    I don't know if rich is still lurking or not, he "retired", sort of, the other day from this site.

    If you're going from drive to nearly identical drive (same LBA number, or larger, on second drive), you can just boot off of the MFS Live cd and use dd or dd_rescue to do a byte for byte copy. This will let you temporarily disconnect your Windows drive, both for safety and to free up its SATA port temporarily.

    dd-rescue will let you run the -v option so that you can see what's going on while it's copying.

    dd is a good way to get in trouble.
     
  9. Oct 20, 2011 #8209 of 10248
    Soapm

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    So close,...
    But I confirmed it ;)
     
  10. Oct 21, 2011 #8210 of 10248
    toups

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    Emphasis added above for this discussion.

    I recently upgraded an HD XL to a WD20EARS. HDDScan did not appear to allow me to adjust the AAM. Either I am doing something wrong or something has changed (per above highlighted) text.

    I used the WDIDLE3 /D option. QUESTION: the "how to" at the beginning of the thread suggests /D in one spot and /S300 (i.e., only 300 seconds of pause) in another. Is there any reason why one would be better than another? Doesn't the unit even in standby without an active recording still do a live buffer? If so, then it will never go into park mode except on a boot cycle.
     
  11. Oct 21, 2011 #8211 of 10248
    unitron

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    If the "how many seconds of inactivity does the drive wait before parking the heads" setting is for enough seconds (300 equals 5 minutes), it amounts to pretty much the same thing as disabled, except theoretically the drive wouldn't waste any resources counting those seconds, so the one you use, disabled or whole bunch of seconds, is whichever one it'll let you use.

    I think some of the drives won't let you actually disable, but will let you set the number plenty high.
     
  12. Oct 22, 2011 #8212 of 10248
    toups

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    Actually, I think /D on this drive sets it for something like 600 minutes and doesn't actually disable it.
     
  13. Oct 22, 2011 #8213 of 10248
    lillevig

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    Just for the record, you can get a USB to universal hard drive adapter on eBay for less than $10, shipped from the US. It includes a standalone power source for your IDE or SATA drive. Always good to have one (or more) of these adpaters on hand in any case.
     
  14. Oct 22, 2011 #8214 of 10248
    rick430

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    anyone expecting any new updates today or tomorrow.
     
  15. Oct 24, 2011 #8215 of 10248
    V7Goose

    V7Goose OTA ONLY and Loving It!

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    $6.55 here - power any drive.
    http://www.amazon.com/USB-2-0-SATA-..._m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=0MF55Z3NJXNS7TCXC7TB

    Not only does it come with an external drive power supply (for both 110 and 220), you get a "GERTIFIED" USB 2.0 adaptor cable to connect BOTH IDE and SATA drives to a computer.

    Seems like an unfreakinbelievable deal. I bought one a few weeks ago just because it looked like such a good deal I could not afford to NOT have one just sitting around on the shelf gathering dust!:up:
     
  16. Oct 30, 2011 #8216 of 10248
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    Last night, my TivoHD started rebooting *continuously*. It boots all the way until it JUST gets 'all the way booted', and reboots. I never saw the intro movie even start to play. If I hit the Tivo button at JUST the right moment, I can see the menus draw, but it seems to always reboot after a couple of seconds right after the boot has finished. (It has been flaky/rebooting for quite a while, even with the previous drive, which is why I thought I was having hardware probs other than the drive..) I put the orig drive back in, and it *seems* to be working.. (EXCEPT even after multiple connects, it *thinks* program info is going to run out. It successfully has loaded, and I can see programs in the LIVE guide only.. but any attempt to 'find programs' tells me it has run out of guide data.)

    Anyway, it was a 2 TB Hitachi drive (I know it didn't actually use all the space). Anyway, at the moment, my questions are about saving the recordings. I suspect any new drive I get (Best Buy has a 2 TB Barracuda for $75, and I'm going to Fry's anyway too), if I just copy everything over with jmfs, it will reboot in exactly the same way.

    Is there some way I can copy over the OS partitions from my known-good (or good enough!) orig Tivo HD drive and the programming partitions from the old drive.. to get the programming back.. or heck, even get it stable enough to boot and then I can start copying stuff off via tivotogo.

    Thanks.. I'm going to get a drive now.
     
  17. Oct 30, 2011 #8217 of 10248
    unitron

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    Grab that Seagate, let me know if it has 512 Byte sectors or the new "advanced format" 4K sectors that mean you have to do some voodoo to use it with XP, and then use dd_rescue on the MFS Live cd to copy the DeathStar to the Seagate.

    If you have to, you can use the -b option to set the "how much at a time" to only 512 bytes, and the -B option to set the fallback "how much" to only 1 sector, and improve the odds of getting a good copy, although it will take forever, maybe longer.

    Before you start, make sure the number of LBAs on the Seagate is at least as big as the number on the Hitachi.

    And seriously, I need to know the actual model number of the drive, not the model number on the box, of that Best Buy Seagate, and whether there's anything on the drive label or in the included stuff that mentions advanced format or doing something special if using XP instead of Vista or Windows 7, and I need to know before BB opens here tomorrow. Thanks!

    After you do that, you can use dd_rescue to copy Partition 2 to Partition 2, 3 to 3, 4 to 4, 5 to 5, 6 to 6, and 9 to 9. It might work. I did it successfully on a Series 2 about 3 or 4 days ago.
     
  18. Oct 31, 2011 #8218 of 10248
    mattack

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    Best Buy was out of the drive (same day the ad came out!). Fry's didn't seem to have that one at all (I orig went to Fry's, was going to price match if I found it there first).

    I think I'm going to 'suffer' with the orig size drive for a few days at least. I remember reading that drive prices have gone up -- wow, they have. (I forget if it's the tsunami or floods or what.)

    But anyway -- would using dd_rescue be better than doing the 'normal' upgrade with jmfs? I I think that worked the last time. The current "bad" drive is only from April! What I think I ended up doing was copying a semi-bad filesystem to another drive, that kept getting worse until it finally rebooted continuously.

    So I'm not sure if using dd_rescue will get it into any better of a state. That's why I thought MAYBE copying just the shows, but the OS off of a different drive, would be more likely to save my shows. (BTW, I did look at "the other forum" but haven't quite answered my question from the info there yet, whether it's possible to rescue my shows individually to a drive that will go into the same TiVo... that would be a backup solution to *this* one.)
     
  19. Oct 31, 2011 #8219 of 10248
    unitron

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    Well, you can have the recordings on the Hitachi (maybe) or you can have whatever you record on the re-installed original drive, but unless you can use TiVo Desktop to transfer stuff off of the re-installed original (i.e., no anti-copy bit set), I don't know of a way to get both on the same drive.

    I would suggest if you can get a 2TB with at least as many LBA as the Hitachi, dd_rescue over to it (shouldn't take more than 24 to 48 hours if you set -b and -B low like I mentioned), and then, as I indicated, take the good original drive and dd (with dd_rescue) partitions 2,3,4,5, 6, 7, and 9 from the original drive to the new 2TB drive. That should give you a working drive with the recordings from the Hitachi on it.

    You should use pdisk to make sure that "the same partitions are the same partitions" on the original drive and the Hitachi so that you overwrite the right partition with the right partition.

    One other thing, I think the new 2TB copy of the old 2TB drive will still have its bootpage even after copying over the non-MFS partitions from the original drive, so use WinMFS to flip the boot partitions twice to get it re-written without being flipped.

    What you do is use mfsinfo in WinMFS to find out if you're set to boot from 3 and 4 or from 6 and 7.

    fixboot option 1 sets it for 3 and 4, no matter where it was, and option 2 sets it for 6 and 7.

    Come to think of it, do WinMFS mfsinfo on the Hitachi to see which partiton set it's set to boot from and use the correct fixboot option to flip it once and then try it again in the TiVo.

    You can try getting that Seagate at the same price from BestBuy.com
     
  20. Oct 31, 2011 #8220 of 10248
    mattack

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    But you didn't quite answer my question -- why is dd_rescue different than doing a "normal" drive "upgrade"? (really side-grade, since the drive will be approx the same size)

    Basically, why would using dd_rescue avoid the crash on boot, if a "regular" upgrade wouldn't? That's all I'm trying to confirm. I'll probably try both, if the first faster one fails.

    and would using the kickstart 57 fix anything?
     

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