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Drive Expansion and Drive Upgrade FAQ

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by bkdtv, Oct 19, 2007.

  1. Oct 12, 2011 #8181 of 10248
    TheLongshot

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    Ok, I'll back up.

    Just over a year ago I sent in my Tivo for a replacement, after everything I tried to do to revive the Tivo failed.

    This is that thread: http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?t=454566

    I upgraded the hard drive with the 1TB EARS in January. It worked fine for a while then started rebooting in April. Eventually I cleared it off and sent the hard drive in for a warranty replacement. Now, the replacement hard drive, which I installed in July is displaying the same behavior.
     
  2. Oct 12, 2011 #8182 of 10248
    unitron

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    What evidence did you have in April that the refurbed TiVo was fine and the WD drive was faulty?

    Did you pull it and run the WD diagnostic software on it?

    Have you done so on the drive you have now?

    Does the current refurb'ed TiVo work without issue on the original hard drive with which it came?
     
  3. Oct 13, 2011 #8183 of 10248
    TheLongshot

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    I did, and it seemed to pass. I put it back in, and it lasted three weeks before it started having problems again.

    Not yet.

    I've never had an issue with the original hard drive in it.
     
  4. Oct 13, 2011 #8184 of 10248
    unitron

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    Yes, but now that you have a problem with something, have you taken out the WD and put the original drive back in to see if it's drive trouble or TiVo trouble?
     
  5. Oct 13, 2011 #8185 of 10248
    TheLongshot

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    Yes, I put the original drive back in and last I checked it was still working. As I showed above, the original drive was in the Tivo from April to July with no issues.
     
  6. Oct 13, 2011 #8186 of 10248
    Mikeyis4dcats

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    Any current suggestions for a Tivo HD replacement drive (1TB)?

    Looks like the drives on the upgrade recommendation list are all out of production...
     
  7. Oct 13, 2011 #8187 of 10248
    brentil

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    I installed the WD WD10EVDS drive in mine. It's a DVR specific drive. I had it running next to the stock drive and it made less noise than the stock one.

    Western Digital 1 TB AV-GP SATA 3 Gb/s Intellipower 32 MB
     
  8. Oct 15, 2011 #8188 of 10248
    unitron

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    Okay, I'm going to go with either you've gotten a second WD drive that also failed prematurely, or the WD draws a little more current than the stock drive and the power supply is just marginal enough that it can't supply that extra bit of current, which brings down the power going to the motherboard just enough to crash it.
     
  9. Oct 15, 2011 #8189 of 10248
    TheLongshot

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    The latter theory sounds more logical, since I fail to see how two drives could fail the same exact way.

    Question is, what do I do about it? I hate to spend more money into the bottomless pit that is this Tivo and be unsure if it will actually solve the problem.

    Edit: Maybe I shouldn't have spoken too soon. Turned it on today and it had a stuck reboot.

    I swear, Tivo makes the most fragile POS electronics I've ever seen...
     
  10. Oct 15, 2011 #8190 of 10248
    unitron

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    I have seen two of the same model drive fail in the same way, which I suspect means a flaw in the design and production of that particular model.

    But I'd still be suspicious of the power supply.

    You can try powering the hard drive from a computer's power supply (get it spun up before plugging the TiVo power cord into the wall socket), and see if that makes a difference.
     
  11. Oct 15, 2011 #8191 of 10248
    TheLongshot

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    I guess I do need to be now. Just tried to play something on the original drive and it rebooted on me.

    Which means now I need to spend $100 bucks and wait a week because the only vendors of power supplies are on the west coast.
     
  12. Oct 15, 2011 #8192 of 10248
    unitron

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    Before you blow a Benjamin, try the power the hard drive separately trick, and also closely inspect the power supply for capacitor disease.

    Go to badcaps.net and to lcdalternatives to learn how to visually identify bad electrolytic capacitors. Sometimes it's nothing more than a slight bulge on the top (which should be perfectly flat).

    The white stuff that looks like marshmellow creme on the power supply is just a kind of glue to hold things in place and not leakage from the caps.

    $100 will buy a soldering iron, plenty of solder (use tin/lead, or maybe it's lead/tin, 63/37 or 60/40, rosin core), a solder sucker, and the necessary replacement capacitor(s), with a lot of lettuce left over.
     
  13. Oct 16, 2011 #8193 of 10248
    lpwcomp

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    John's...
    And you are sure that Intellipark was disabled on this drive?
     
  14. Oct 16, 2011 #8194 of 10248
    unitron

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    I think he (she?) is talking about with the original drive re-installed.
     
  15. Oct 16, 2011 #8195 of 10248
    lpwcomp

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    Ah. Missed that.
     
  16. Oct 16, 2011 #8196 of 10248
    TheLongshot

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    Thanks for the advice. I read up on what you were saying and checked the power supply and motherboard. No bad caps as far as I can tell.

    As for the hard drive trick, how do I manage that? Where do I find a separate power supply to run the hard drive? I wonder if Microcenter has something like that...
     
  17. Oct 16, 2011 #8197 of 10248
    unitron

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    Don't you know that you're supposed to have a spare, open cased, dedicated to TiVo-hacking, computer sitting next to the TiVo on which you're working?:)

    Actually, if you have the hard drive attached as a load, you can use just an AT or ATX computer power supply by itself (for a short time, maybe 30 minutes max). The AT supply will have an actual switch (but no SATA power plugs, so you'll need an adapter). The ATX supply may or may not have a line switch, but you'll still need to temporarily short the proper pin* to ground to get it to "start".

    As I think I said, start the drive first so that it's already spun up when you power up the TiVo.

    *There should be only one green wire in the bundle running to the 20 or 24 pin motherboard plug, and it should be the 4th wire in from the corner. That's the PS_ON pin.

    Here's a link to a pin-out diagram.

    http://www.smpspowersupply.com/connectors-pinouts.html

    Make "bleeping" sure you have the right wire before you short it to ground, which should be the black wire on either side.
     
  18. Oct 17, 2011 #8198 of 10248
    TheLongshot

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    So, your solution is to hook up an ATX power supply (not exactly a lot of room where my Tivo is) to the hard drive, and leave it that way for a few months to see if MAYBE it will solve my problem?

    Seems...Impractical. Particularly when I don't have an ATX power supply handy that isn't being used in a computer.
     
  19. Oct 17, 2011 #8199 of 10248
    unitron

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    My apologies for spending my time wasting yours trying to give you the benefit of my experience and knowledge, such as it is.

    What I had in mind was to take your current situation--even original drive no longer works--and change one variable, the load on the power supply.

    If letting the power supply put all of whatever it's got left into powering just the motherboard, while the drive is powered externally, is successful, where trying to power the board and the drive wasn't, then it shouldn't take a few months to take that as a pretty good indication that the power supply is no longer up to snuff.
     
  20. Oct 18, 2011 #8200 of 10248
    TheLongshot

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    And if I had an ATX power supply, maybe that would be a good idea. But, considering that buying and returning a Tivo power supply may be the same (and I wouldn't need to waste money on an ATX power supply that I don't need.), it seems to be the better idea just to buy the darn power supply and be done with it.

    BTW, I do think your advice is valuable. I'm just trying to decide what is best for my situation.
     

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