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Drive Expansion and Drive Upgrade FAQ

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by bkdtv, Oct 19, 2007.

  1. Jan 27, 2008 #801 of 10248
    LHMPDX

    LHMPDX New Member

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    My MX-1, with a Seagate DB35 500, worked fine for about 9 months. A few days ago it slowly started getting louder and louder, until the noise was interfering with watching TV. I couldn't figure out what was wrong with it, so I got a new one, put the same drive into it, and it now works fine. YMMV.
     
  2. Jan 27, 2008 #802 of 10248
    workingstiff

    workingstiff New Member

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    Ok I believed the saleskid, or went on the trip before reading the map. DUMB! SO I have a new series 3, as soon as the cable guy comes out I will be turning on the service. But my problem is the drives. I bought the stripped down 20 hour machine and got sold a 500G external harddrive (FreeAgent Pro). Once I plugged it in, I discovered It did not register. I read so many options and I'm not sure which to go with. Especially when it comes to getting hold of a SATA computer. I am open to suggestions, my goal was to add on to the storage already available. I am prepared to work with the drives. I used a kit from weaknees and upgraded one of my old Series 2. I am not clear on do I need to marry my drives or what. I also do not have the hard drive optiion on my settings screen. As I said I have yet to turn on the machine untill the cable guy gets here with the cards.
    I would really like help in direction on what to do with an un verified drive ( I really read all that).

    Thanks
     
  3. Jan 27, 2008 #803 of 10248
    bkdtv

    bkdtv New Member

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    Be sure to read the FAQ in the first post of this thread.

    If you got the 20-hour TivoHD, the 500Gb Western Digital My DVR Expander is the only drive that will work with the plug-and-play eSATA expansion feature. This plug-and-play eSATA support was added with software 9.2, so if you just bought your TiVo, you may not have that software yet; your TiVO should download the latest software within a week or so.

    If you want to upgrade the internal drive in your TivoHD, see Section III, FAQ #30 in the first post. If you want to add something other than the My DVR Expander to your TivoHD, then you'll need to follow the instructions in Section III, FAQ #10 of the first post.
     
  4. Jan 30, 2008 #804 of 10248
    dolfer

    dolfer Myles Standish Proud

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    Is a UPS *mandatory* for using the My DVR Expander?

    The reason that I ask is that I had a brief power outage last night. My Tivo rebooted as usual but it froze up at the point where the lights and output resolution show up on the front panel. I was terrified!

    I unplugged the Tivo, unplugged My DVR, waited, plugged in My DVR, waited, plugged in my Tivo, and then everything booted up ok.

    Will a power outage *always* freeze your Tivo? Meaning I have to go and buy a UPS for this to work properly?

    Rich gave me this info earlier in the week. I guess I should have ran out and bought his recommended model right away! ;)

    "As e30cabrio mentions, a good UPS is essential IMO if you want to avoid data corruption/loss of recordings with TiVo and your new eSATA drive. We have all of our TiVo's connected to this one and they have worked flawlessly. (If you want to connect your TV, just be sure the wattage/capacity will allow it...might need one with a higher capacity.)"
     
  5. Jan 30, 2008 #805 of 10248
    drhankz

    drhankz New Member

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    I have 6 DVRs - some TiVo and Some SONY.

    All are on UPS.

    IT SHOULD NOT BE NECESSARY - but then it lets you
    sleep at night :p
     
  6. Jan 30, 2008 #806 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Mandatory? I don't think the TiVo Police will be at your door if you don't use a UPS. ;) However the reboot cycle depends on the eSATA drive having power before TiVo has power. If that gets out of sync TiVo won't recognize it and won't do anything (recording, etc.) until you acknowledge that you want to divorce the drive or not...or it just won't boot up properly as you saw.

    So my recommendation would be to have a UPS. Depending on the battery size it's not a guarantee that the power will be restored properly if the outage is longer than the battery life. But for the typical short power outages, surges/spikes, etc. it should take care of things.

    If you have a CompUSA nearby they might have some left at a discount since they're going out of business. Otherwise you should be able to find a good deal. I have used APC UPS devices for years and can highly recommend them. :up:
     
  7. Jan 30, 2008 #807 of 10248
    jon96cobra

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    When you replaced the drive did you notice anything wrong with the case or the fan. Mine is doing the same thing. I was going to see if Antec will do anything under warranty.
     
  8. Jan 30, 2008 #808 of 10248
    dpfels

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    Hi,
    I certainly get what I deserve for not reading carefully. I just purchased a Seagate DB35 750Gbyt drive and an Icy enclosure, thinking I would make myself a cost-effective plug and play expansion solution for my TivoHD. Of course, nothing happens when the drive is connected to the Tivo.
    Before I go to the trouble, am I correct in understanding that the only way to get a non WD eSATA to marry to the TivoHD automatically.
    From what I gather, I now have to go back to the patched version described in the FAQ.
    Is that correct?
    Thanks,
    Dan
     
  9. Jan 30, 2008 #809 of 10248
    dolfer

    dolfer Myles Standish Proud

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    Thanks Rich... It definitely looks like a UPS is in my immediate future! I'll double check tonight, but I don't think that there is any mention of using a UPS in the My DVR Expander manual. Nor is there a warning about what might happen if you don't have one. If the info is not there, they definitely should add it!
     
  10. Jan 30, 2008 #810 of 10248
    richsadams

    richsadams Active Member

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    You are correct sir. The only way to get anything but the approved WD My DVR Expander to work with your THD is to pull the hard drive and use WinMFS or a Linux boot disk to marry them up. More often than not it's more practical to just upgrade the internal drive and save the old one as a backup. It's quite easy to do if you don't mind removing the TiVo drive and connecting it to a PC. If you follow the WinMFS instructions it's a very painless way to get more disk space...takes more time to R&R the drives than running the actual program. :up:
     
  11. Jan 30, 2008 #811 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Agreed. A UPS would probably save a number of support calls to TiVo and/or WD. Seems a couple of sentences about that would be in order.
     
  12. Jan 30, 2008 #812 of 10248
    ChrisNJ

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    My Cavalry drive is now in the MX-1 enclosure and there were no issues when switching. It's much quieter than the Cavalry enclosure, so far so good...
     
  13. Jan 30, 2008 #813 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Good move (both figuratively and literally). Glad to hear things are working well. :up:
     
  14. Jan 31, 2008 #814 of 10248
    randyelder

    randyelder New Member

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    I am confused. I have read and read these forums and I get that the only esata drive that works is the DVR expander, but then I read a lot of people using other drives. I have tried a seagate 500gb and also a WD 750gb drive in the Antec case and all I get when I hook it up is that this device may not be set up. And when it asks me if I want to set up the drive, I say yes and it just says the same thing, this device may not be set up. Am I missing something. Do I need to do something to get them to work.
     
  15. Jan 31, 2008 #815 of 10248
    dwit

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    The Tivo HD will only work with the MY DVR Expander.

    The Series 3 works with virtually any external eSATA unit.
     
  16. Jan 31, 2008 #816 of 10248
    richsadams

    richsadams Active Member

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    dwit is correct...as I pointed out in my response to your other post on the same subject.
     
  17. Jan 31, 2008 #817 of 10248
    jlib

    jlib Lean Forward

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    The first post in this thread should have all the info you are seeking. If any particular section is unclear, point that out and many here can clarify. In a nutshell, there is only one "supported by TiVo" external drive (which you don't have) but there are methods to make most external drives work. It involves removing your drives and attaching to a PC. Look for mention of WinMFS or MFSLive tools to accomplish your goal and follow the steps mentioned. Don't worry, it is not a difficult procedure (usually).
     
  18. Jan 31, 2008 #818 of 10248
    randyelder

    randyelder New Member

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    I have the series 3 9.2a with the original internal drive. I have followed the instructions for hooking it up. I do not get the #1, #2, and #3 screens as mentioned in the instructions. I go into add the drive and after exiting it will see the external drive and it says it may not be set up. It asks if I want to set it up now and I say yes and it just comes up and says this device may not be set up. Do I need to delete partitions first.
     
  19. Jan 31, 2008 #819 of 10248
    hlazare

    hlazare New Member

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    I've tried many, many times to register at the WINFMSLive.org site with no luck. I keep getting "Invalid Session. Please resubmit the form.
    The confirmation code you entered was incorrect". Even though I entered the confirmation code correctly.
    I just want to download "winMFS" to marry my e-sata drive to an expanded internal hard drive.
    Has anybody had this problem or can offer any help. Thanks!
     
  20. Jan 31, 2008 #820 of 10248
    dpfels

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    Thanks. I have already updated an older S2 using WinMFS. I was holding off to avoid voiding the warranty on the newer TivoHD. Also, the idea of plug and play was appealing. However, I was unhappy with the 500Gb limit on the WD drive. I went for 750Gb.

    A few questions about WinMFS in its current version:
    1. Does it now preserve the recordings on the existing drive?
    2. Does it void the warranty to simply marry the external drive rather than replacing the internal?
    3. If I replace the internal drive, can I still add the external later?
    4. Are there any problems with losing the cable card information?

    Thanks!
    Dan
     

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