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Drive Expansion and Drive Upgrade FAQ

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by bkdtv, Oct 19, 2007.

  1. Sep 18, 2011 #8141 of 10248
    dlfl

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    There are people who prefer the S3 for slight claimed performance advantages (and for the OLED display). However I believe there has been a higher rate of Power Supply failures in S3's, perhaps due to their greater average age and/or because "capacitor disease" peaked in the years they were manufactured.

    IIRC there is no DIY (i.e., JMFS) method to upgrade an S3 to 2TB, whereas there is one for the THD. However, I believe DVR_DUDE does sell plug-in 2TB drives for the S3.
     
  2. Sep 18, 2011 #8142 of 10248
    dianebrat

    dianebrat I refuse to accept your reality TCF Club

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    I view my S3 as a Cadillac and my TivoHD was relegated to Dad when I bought a Premiere, I never warmed to it, and it always felt like the cheap offspring to me. The extra $4 for the 2nd CableCARD is well worth it for the superior machine.
     
  3. Sep 19, 2011 #8143 of 10248
    unitron

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    There's almost always a $50 HD on a Craigslist somewhere, but almost never a "thermometer front" at any price. I guess it's one of those "from my cold, dead hands" things.
     
  4. Sep 24, 2011 #8144 of 10248
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    Has anyone ever taken the hard drive out of a Western Digital My AV Book Expander and used it to upgrade a TiVo HD? I have had numerous problems with the Expander attached to my TiVo HD. TiVo tech support told me to replace the SATA cable which came with the Expander. I have replaced it with 4 or 5 different cables and every one eventually failed. I finally decided to un-marry the Expander from the TiVo and upgrade the internal hard drive to 1TB. Since I don't plan to use the Expander any longer I tore it apart and removed the hard drive and it turned out to be a WD10EVVS manufactured 13 Nov 2010. This model manufactured after September 18th (it didn't say what year) was removed from the compatible drives list due to incompatibilities. It also has issues due to Intellipark. I am hoping that, since my drive was set up by Western Digital expressly to be used with a TiVo that intellipark will already be disabled and it won't have the compatibility problems which caused the drive to be removed from the compatible drives list.
     
  5. Sep 24, 2011 #8145 of 10248
    unitron

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    First of all, whose compatibility list?

    Was the combination of the drive and the enclosure removed from this list, or just the drive itself?

    Is that particular enclosure/drive combination on TiVo's approved list?
     
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  7. Sep 27, 2011 #8147 of 10248
    Canoehead

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    veritas01

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    I have used Instant Cake in the past. It is moderately easy to use if you have a spare computer hanging around to use for the burn. However, they doubled their price recently. Nothing new about the software. Nothing better, faster, or snazzier. Just more expensive. Ticked me off.

    My recommendation is ...they are several people selling drive upgrades on EBAY. I just bought a 2 TB for my Model3. Opened the case. Took out the old one. Put in the new one. Powered up...voila. Very easy and when you add the cost of a new drive, finding the right quiet drive, and buying the Instant Cake and going through the hassle of loading it to the new drive....buying it already set up is the way to go.

    Getting another 2tb in a few weeks so all 3 of my series 3 will be 2 tb. HD really uses up a lot of space. My wife is a dancing with the stars fan...that series alone with take up a bunch of space.
     
  9. Sep 30, 2011 #8149 of 10248
    puinsai

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    Hi all,

    This forum is amazing but I am confused and I need some guidance.

    I am a newbie and after searching for a few days I was surprised that I couldn't find a definitive DIY solution for upgrading my Series 3 TCD648250B to a 2TB where I could use the full capacity.

    Don't get me wrong, there are some amazing guides and tips but no one specifically addresses the process with the Series 3 TCD648250B. Most people just comment that "there is no definitive DIY solution". That can't be because people are doing it and there seems to be way too many people who have successfully completed the process for it to be a commercial solution only. I really like this Tivo and I dig the OLED on the front. It is very useful and I was sad they did away with it.

    Can anyone help me or point me in a direction to how this is done properly besides just buying a pre-formatted drive from DVR Dude or Weaknees?

    I followed all the directions I could find online and I was able to put in a new 2TB drive and transfer all my shows and settings from my 1TB drive (Upgraded by Weaknees about 2 years ago) but I am only getting 157 Hours of HD which means it's not using the full capacity. I used Winmfs, supersize and Wdiddle3. My Tivo works fine but it's just not using the full capacity of the 2TB drive. I have seen the posts that I have to use an updated Kernel to get full capacity and I see where that can be downloaded but I don't see any specific directions on how to install it or when.

    Any guidance is much appreciated.
     
  10. Sep 30, 2011 #8150 of 10248
    dwit

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    There is no guide here for upgrading the 648x unit to 2 TB because for years, the conventional wisdom was that it could not be done(in a stable fashion, for whatever reason). It is not known precisely how weaknees, dvrdude, etc. manage to achieve theirs.

    There have been claims of posters here that they have done it simply using WinMfs, but no details, and they don't seem to stick around to give any.

    There is also some special hardware modification($) that may allow for the upgrade, but that's a different story, imo.
     
  11. Sep 30, 2011 #8151 of 10248
    mitchr

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    I'm looking to upgrade the internal drive on my Series 3.
    I just unmarried the WD expansion drive after it failed.
    Is there a list of current recommended internal drives?
    The lists I have seen are a few years old.
    Also, will the WinMFS procedure work with Windows7?
     
  12. Oct 1, 2011 #8152 of 10248
    ThreeSoFar

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    Anyone in this position, the first thing I'd recommend is have you looked into buying a new premiere?

    Whether or not you're lifetime'd now, you can buy lifetime on a brand new (refurb'd....same difference) box, and it only needs one cable card to work with both HDTV tuners. It's trivially upgradable to 2TB, about 300 hours of HD. And your existing S3 still keeps working fine as it is.....use in another room, give to a friend, or sell it.

    It's old hardware. The drive is just the most likely thing to fail, not the only thing.
     
  13. Oct 1, 2011 #8153 of 10248
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    That's good advice, but I'd still want to increase the disk space on the S3.
    Can you recommend a 1TB drive to do that?
    Also, if I got a Premiere, is the higher capacity one better soundwise than the cheaper one? Looks like the only other difference.
     
  14. Oct 1, 2011 #8154 of 10248
    ThreeSoFar

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    One caveat--I heard something recently about a 4-tuner capable Premiere due out soon. I figured it would need two multi-stream cablecards, but I'm told just one. Its release may bring 2-tuner Premieres down in price as they clear their inventory, but they're really cheap so how much further down can they go? Or you may wait if you need four tuners to deconflict shows.

    Any SATA drive will work, both in your S3 and in a Premiere if you get it. I'm seeing SATA III out now--pretty sure you don't want those, they don't get you anything better and may not even work. Most here, including me, are using one of the WD Green drives and report good success and low heat/power/sound. I had good success with Samsung drives back in the IDE days (S1-2)--at that point I wasn't trusting WD and they've gotten better.

    Your S3 will actually do a bit more than 1TB, something like 1.25TB. And it will just not use the rest of the drive--so a 1.5TB or 2TB would also work.


    At Amazon, I see:
    WD10EARS (1TB) $57 shipped
    WD15EARS (1.5TB) $64 shipped
    WD20EARS (2TB) $80 shipped

    At Newegg, I see:
    WD10EARS (1TB) $57 shipped
    WD15EARS (1.5TB) $65 shipped
    WD20EARS (2TB) $80 shipped
     
  15. Oct 1, 2011 #8155 of 10248
    ThreeSoFar

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    As to your sound question (forgot that one): If it says THX, it's capable of better, yes. But I wouldn't bother. But you'd need a THX certified system and speaker setup, which frankly is likely impossible in most home environments. And IMO, not at all worth it.

    The biggest advantage to me of upgrading the smaller sized one is the stock drive becomes your backup in the event of drive failure down the line. It's best if you let the stock drive sync up with your cableco's system, put all your programs on it, make sure it isn't DOA or anything by using it a few weeks, then use that to upgrade to your brand new 2TB. The stock drive just sits on the shelf as your backup.
     
  16. Oct 1, 2011 #8156 of 10248
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    The 4 tuner will only require one M type cable card.
     
  17. Oct 1, 2011 #8157 of 10248
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    "OH Joe, say it ain't so"...... :D

    Just bought a Seagate Barracuda ST31000524AS SATA 6.0Gb/s 1TB for $50, to put on the shelf as a spare for my S3. It seems to work OK in an older USB-2 dock, so I assumed it would in the S3. Guess I'll need to swap it out to see for sure.
    Perhaps someone can chime in..... if they have already tried this.

    Thanks For Any Ideas on this matter,
     
  18. Oct 1, 2011 #8158 of 10248
    unitron

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    Can you jumper it down to 3Gb?
     
  19. Oct 2, 2011 #8159 of 10248
    ccrider2

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    Can't find anything in the online manual about using jumpers. There is a 4 pin block next to the data port, but the manual mentions nothing about it. All I could find was the bit below about the chipset and autonegotiation support. Although the word 'usually' is also used, so I guess I'm not sure, or perhaps they aren't either. :eek: Like, what's the reason for the unmentioned jumper block?

    http://www.seagate.com/staticfiles/support/docs/100636864b.pdf

    "Serial ATA drives are designed for easy installation. It is usually not necessary to set any jumpers on the drive for
    proper operation; however, if you connect the drive and receive a “drive not detected” error, your SATA-equipped
    motherboard or host adapter may use a chipset that does not support SATA speed autonegotiation."

    Thanks,
     
  20. Oct 2, 2011 #8160 of 10248
    unitron

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    When the 3Gb (SATA II, although that's not an official designation by the industry group that sets SATA standards) drives came out, many of them could be jumpered to hard limit them to SATA I (1.5Gb), and I think there are some SATA IIIs that can be jumpered down to SATA II, but if yours can, it's not documented.

    If you can't return the drive for a full refund, go ahead and dd your TiVo drive to it and try it in the TiVo to see if it works or not so that you'll know.
     

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