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Drive Expansion and Drive Upgrade FAQ

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by bkdtv, Oct 19, 2007.

  1. Sep 7, 2011 #8041 of 10248
    lpwcomp

    lpwcomp Active Member

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    John's...
    Yes, the instructions are different, but calling it a different program is confusing.
     
  2. Sep 7, 2011 #8042 of 10248
    unitron

    unitron Active Member

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    One of the few times rich has even been in the neighborhood of being wrong.
     
  3. Sep 7, 2011 #8043 of 10248
    dianebrat

    dianebrat I refuse to accept your reality TCF Club

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    New question on original S3 drive sizes I'm just not seeing covered (lord knows I might have missed it in 269 pages) I had asked in another thread, but in review it really should go here.

    My current original S3 has 2x 750GB drives and I suspect one is failing, and I want to upgrade. Since 2TB single drives are out, I have the following combo available:
    1.5TB Seagate LP 5400RPM
    1.0TB WDC Green.

    Can I do the 1.35TB on the 1.5TB as my primary and then add the 1.0TB external for what should be right around the max of 2.2TB but a little over? I'd be using winMFS and I have an OEM S3 250GB tbk file.
     
  4. Sep 7, 2011 #8044 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Well, after six or seven years of answering thousands of questions and spending untold hours giving guidance to others on this and a good half-dozen other threads that AFAIK has been correct more often than not...hey, I'm ready to retire and you young bucks take over!

    So step up and have fun all!
     
  5. Sep 7, 2011 #8045 of 10248
    dwit

    dwit Active Member

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    Rich,

    Don't let a nit picky troll get get you down !

    As you see, the know it alls are not here when needed.
     
  6. Sep 7, 2011 #8046 of 10248
    unitron

    unitron Active Member

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    Well, outside of guys like Tiger, spike, and comer, if anyone's earned the right to take a well deserved rest from saving the TiVo re-doer community from itself it's you, rich, but that doesn't mean we have to be happy about it.:(


    Any chance you'd be amenable to mediation?
     
  7. Sep 7, 2011 #8047 of 10248
    dlfl

    dlfl Cranky old novice

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    I hope you're not serious, Rich, although it sounds like you are.

    I don't know why you're "ready to retire" and it's none of my business. But I hope it isn't due to anything that's been posted here.

    In most organizations or groups, especially non-profit ones, there are a few people who stand out as super-dedicated volunteers who do a huge share of the heavy lifting. You are one of those and I thank you.
     
  8. Sep 7, 2011 #8048 of 10248
    lpwcomp

    lpwcomp Active Member

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    John's...
    Are you calling me a "nit picky troll"? If so, kindly have the grace to do so to me personally rather than indirectly, "trolling" for a response. You succeeded. Congratulations.

    My only intention was to point out that implying that there are model specific versions of JMFS could lead to confusion when someone went to download it and finds only one, which was designed for the Premiere. My mistake was saying that there were merely separate threads rather than separate instructions.

    Mr. Adams,

    Please do not cease your participation in this forum due to any actions on my part. I meant no offense. My apologies if you took any. If my ceasing to actively participate in this forum will lead to you reconsidering your decision, consider it done. My stock Premiere is filling up anyway.:)

    FWIW, I qualify for a "senior discount" at Kroger. Please do not leave me to the tender mercies of the "younger" members.:eek:
     
  9. Sep 8, 2011 #8049 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Many thanks and I can honestly say the same about you. Keep up the great work!

    Carry on sir!

    No harm done. Carry on as well.

    Trolls I can handle...it's the people that should know better that wear me out.

    Time to move on anyway.

    All the best!
     
  10. Sep 8, 2011 #8050 of 10248
    L David Matheny

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    Maybe I missed something, but I hope you're not moving on because of an extremely minor semantic scuffle. Does "time to move on anyway" imply that there are other reasons not evident here? If so, I hope they resolve soon and you can stay or come back. I'm relatively new here, but even I recognize your many contributions. Thanks.
     
  11. Sep 8, 2011 #8051 of 10248
    Alvysyngr

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    Got home last night and found that my Tivo had rebooted and was on the setup screen - awesome! I went through everything, it downloaded schedule info and appears to be working fine BUT when I look at the System Info it says that I have a total of 36 hours HD recording space! This is with the 2tb drive which I thought would give 288 HD hours. I don't think I skipped anything when I put the image on the drive (I know I clicked yes when it asked to use the extra space on the drive and supersize is on in Winmfs) can I pull this drive and put it back in my pc to fix this?

    oh, and I did a soft restart and am going to pull the plug now, wait 5 minutes and plug it back in and hope for the best
     
  12. Sep 8, 2011 #8052 of 10248
    dianebrat

    dianebrat I refuse to accept your reality TCF Club

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    I thought you wound up saying you had an original OLED S3? those can't take a 2TB drive as far as I know, thus my questioning the 1.5TB and 1.0TB combo as an option. (though maybe you can do it as 1.35TB and through out the rest of the space)
     
  13. Sep 8, 2011 #8053 of 10248
    Alvysyngr

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    So you think if I were to purchase a 1tb or 1.5 drive it would work ?

    I thought it would just use the 1.35tb of the 2tb drive but at this point I just need it to work again.

    I am sure someone here knows but can I use the WinMFS method to use this drive
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136513

    in my OLED S3 TCD648250B
     
  14. Sep 8, 2011 #8054 of 10248
    MPSAN

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    Yes...Rich, I had a sign in my office when I was in Colorado working on Disk Drives that said...

    "Those of you who walk around here acting like you know everything are pissing off those of us who really do"
     
  15. Sep 8, 2011 #8055 of 10248
    dianebrat

    dianebrat I refuse to accept your reality TCF Club

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    Yes I believe if you just use 1.35GB of the 2TB it should work, but if I recall there's a caveat of "you can't supersize or it breaks" or something similar which I have to find when I try to put in the 1.5TB I have.
     
  16. Sep 8, 2011 #8056 of 10248
    unitron

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    I'm really not up for re-reading all 260+ pages of this thread and a couple hundred other pages on other threads and other possibly not to be named here sites to be absolutely certain, but I seem to remember reading that the 3 S3 models were each limited to 1.1ish TB plus the size of the original drive with which it left the factory, that at least the first S3, the "thermometer front" one (TCD648xxx) couldn't recognize a 2TB drive regardless of how much or how little of it was used*, but that you could use a 1.5, although you'd only get to use 1.35 of the space on it.

    *At least when you use the MFS Tools/MFS Live/WinMFS software to write the partitions and the map, the Apple Partition Map used on TiVo drives tends to make everything at the end beyond the 15 TiVo partitions, the supposedly unpartitioned space, an "Apple Free" partition, although I think it's more of a label than an actual partition.

    It may be that the S3 chokes on an "Apple Free" partition map entry over a certain size. If so, then theorectically one could use a 1.5GB drive to upgrade on to, then dd or dd_rescue it to a 2TB drive. That would leave you with a 2TB drive with a 1.5's partiton info at the front, and maybe that would fool the TiVo.

    I'm not saying it makes sense to use a 2TB drive to provide 1.35TB of storage if you have a 1.5TB drive available, only that it might work if you desperately needed that 1.5 elsewhere where the 2TB drive wouldn't do.

    Of course if someone wants to donate large quantities of lifetimed TiVos and hard drives, I'll be happy to do some experimenting.:D
     
  17. Sep 8, 2011 #8057 of 10248
    steve614

    steve614 what ru lookin at?

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    Sorry it took so long, but I have confirmed that a TivoHD with an original stock hard drive acts the same way in regards to the S P S Pause S code.
     
  18. Sep 8, 2011 #8058 of 10248
    dianebrat

    dianebrat I refuse to accept your reality TCF Club

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    Exactly what I recall also, however I have used a 1.5TB in an older THD where I only used the 1.35GB of it, but there's a supersize caveat or something similar. My big question in both threads is if I can use the 1.35TB section of the 1.5TB AND an external 1.0TB before wasting a weekend testing it on my original S3.
     
  19. Sep 8, 2011 #8059 of 10248
    unitron

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    As I understand it, S3s have some sort of coding that allows them to have the original hard drive and an external up to 1TB (or 1.1 depending on whether you're talking binary or decimal bytes), which is why the total is larger for the otherwise (except for THX certification and original drive size) identical HD XL than for the HD, and apparently there's some sort of "loophole" that allows applying that total to an internal drive, but that total is a hard limit whether there's one drive involved or two.

    Having said that, somebody here or on the site which may not be named is claiming success with a 2TB internal in some flavor of S3, and there's even one guy somewhere saying he had success with a 2TB in an S2 DT. I'll see if I can find them again.

    In the meantime spend your weekend doing what I wish I were still young enough to.:)
     
  20. Sep 9, 2011 #8060 of 10248
    Teeps

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    I have a TCD648250B S3 TiVo that has a 2TB internal drive installed.
    The HD recording time is 318hrs.
    This was a new, preconditioned, WD AVGP drive purchased from dvr_dude.

    So far, so good...
     

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