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Drive Expansion and Drive Upgrade FAQ

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by bkdtv, Oct 19, 2007.

  1. Aug 30, 2011 #8001 of 10248
    dwit

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    I don't think 30 sec skip is what is being referred to.

    As for the 30 sec skip, it is alive and well. Totally stable. Don't know how I could manage without. Isn't it a standard feature on the Premiere?
     
  2. Aug 30, 2011 #8002 of 10248
    lpwcomp

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    On the Premiere, it is a 30-sec FF, i.e. slower than a skip, w/visible picture.
     
  3. Aug 30, 2011 #8003 of 10248
    richsadams

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    You can upgrade your TiVo HD using a Mac. There are a couple of challenges however.

    1. If you want to upgrade using one of the recommended Western Digital GP hard drives you will probably have to run a program, wdidle3.exe, to adjust the timeout on the Intellipark feature to avoid initial and/or soft reboot problems. That has to be run on a PC with the drive connected directly to a SATA port.


    2. If you want to get the additional recording space called "Supersizing" it requires that you run winMFS which is a Windows based application.


    3. If you want to upgrade using one of the recommended Western Digital GP hard drives that was not designed for A/V use (the WD20EARS for example) and want to adjust the AAM (auto acoustic management) from the default 254 to the quietest setting, 128, that probably has to be done on a PC. (I say "probably" because I've tried the hdparm command line to adjust the AAM with the jmfs program on a Mac and although it should work for some reason it doesn't. It does work on a PC however.)

    So as you can see there are some speed bumps to deal with if you want to upgrade a TiVo with a Mac. The ideal way is with a PC with at least two open SATA ports on the motherboard though. I keep an old Dell around just for that.

    All of that said you can upgrade your TiVo HD with your Mac. Since the recommended Western Digital drives present some challenges I would go with one of the new Hitachi CoolSpin hard drives. Although it doesn't have a long track record yet, others here are using it to upgrade their TiVo's successfully.

    http://www.amazon.com/Hitachi-Desks...1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1314721019&sr=1-1

    Then follow the directions to upgrade your TiVo HD using jmfs...

    http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?t=462179

    Create a disk or USB drive image from the ISO and boot into it. Insert the disk or thumb drive, hold down the Option key when booting up until you're given the choice of drive to use. (Oddly enough the jmfs disk appears as "windows" even though it's a Linux program).

    If you have something other than a Mac Pro (where you have access to the SATA ports on the motherboard) you'll need to connect your original TiVo drive and your new hard drive via a dock or SATA/USB adapter. I prefer docks...I have two...

    http://www.amazon.com/NewerTechnolo...6?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1314720669&sr=1-6 (Has FW800, very fast)

    http://www.amazon.com/Thermaltake-5...XXVU/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1314720732&sr=8-1

    Note that a dual-drive dock will NOT work, each drive has to have it's own dedicated connection.

    If you wanted to “Supersize” (which requires running winMFS, a Windows based program) you could install Parallels or VMWare Fusion and a copy of Windows.

    So again, using a PC is the way to optimize all of your choices, but it can be done on a Mac. Perhaps you can bribe someone with a PC? :)

    Of course the other option as dwit wisely points out is to purchase a pre-imaged hard drive from a third party like Weaknees/DVRUpgrade (same company now) or DVRDude on ebay has them available now and then.

    Hope that helps and let us know how things go!
     
  4. Aug 30, 2011 #8004 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Oh, duh, you're right. It's the time bar he's referring to. No idea about that either. Yes, the skip is alive and well in the Premiere. I never got used to that though...I can usually 3x FF and get past the commercials faster. :)
     
  5. Aug 30, 2011 #8005 of 10248
    lew

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    Why is it necessary to make sure you have the most recent software before using jmfs? When (ok IF) tivo updates the software will there be an issue with drives expanded with jmfs?

    Will jmfs work with winMFS created backups?

    Search might answer my questions but I have no way of knowing if older information is accurate.

    We used to be able to use an old image, from an original drive stored in a box or on our PC, to prep a new drive. Let tivo update the drive to the current version. I know the B. hybrid image worked after several updates.
     
  6. Aug 30, 2011 #8006 of 10248
    richsadams

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    I don't know the specifics (I can guess but it'd only be a WAG - Comer could tell you), but I do know those that have tried updating using their original TiVo hard drives without updating have run into problems. Comer was very clear that the OEM drive needed to be running the latest version for jmfs to work.

    It seems like it would be possible if you restored a truncated backup to a new drive (the new drive being smaller than the final upgrade drive as it needs to be expanded), updated to the latest version and then ran jmfs. That said I don't know of anyone that's tried it.
     
  7. Aug 30, 2011 #8007 of 10248
    lew

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    OK I did a quick search. I think you have to be using at least whatever software version (not sure of the number) which allowed the use of the 1T external DVR Expander. That makes sense. I was concerned that a 2T updated tivo wouldn't be able to handle any software update.
     
  8. Aug 30, 2011 #8008 of 10248
    HazelW

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    Does this mean I can not use a 1GB drive that was created with instantcake? My original dirive was killed by the external drive fiasco.
     
  9. Aug 30, 2011 #8009 of 10248
    steve614

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    Yep, I noticed that. That's why I had asked Gowan if he had done that.

    For the upgrade that I did, I installed the original drive Saturday a week ago. I forgot that I did a C&D before I originally pulled it, so I had to do guided setup when I re-installed it. I forced the calls to get the guide data and software update, and then let the Tivo run ~28 hours.
    After that, I swapped drives again so I could finish watching the shows I couldn't transfer.
    I did the upgrade just last weekend (almost a week later) so I knew I was going to be short a week on guide data.

    After the fact, I did wonder if that 1st step was really necessary since the Tivo is pretty good at updating itself.
     
  10. Aug 30, 2011 #8010 of 10248
    steve614

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    That does make sense somewhat. I'm glad I followed the directions because I know I pulled the original drive before those externals became available. :)
     
  11. Aug 30, 2011 #8011 of 10248
    richsadams

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    As long as it has the current OS and you're upgrading to a larger drive you shouldn't have any problem.
     
  12. Aug 30, 2011 #8012 of 10248
    richsadams

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    :eek: Wow...hope you have an electric screwdriver and a Torx bit!
     
  13. Aug 30, 2011 #8013 of 10248
    lpwcomp

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    John's...
    You might want to read this post before proceeding.
     
  14. Aug 30, 2011 #8014 of 10248
    dannew

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    I've had my TivoHD for just over three year and this past weekend my 500G external died on me (I opened it up and see that its a stinking WD Green), I've tried all the tricks to get it back, but it's really doa, so I found the WD black at best buy for 109, but what I really like about it was the 5 year warranty. (note: You must email the proof of purchase in to WD to get the 5 years, if you just register online you only get 3 years). Thanks to you folks and all your instructions, I decided to NOT use the drive as another external, but to put it inside and remove the 160G - after all, who knows how many months or days it may have left. I contacted WD and they said the Blacks don't have automatic head parking so I don't have to wdidle3 it, can anyone confirm? Anyway, I WINMFS'd a backup copy and then copied the 160G over to the 1TB and answered the maximize question affirmative. I put it back in and now I have the 144 hours of HD with no external eating extra juice and a drive that should last longer then the Tivo itself, hopefully until 2016:) It blows my mind that you found a way to start using over 1.2TB of space internally now, had I know that I might have purchased the 2 TB WD Black. To do all this (I don't have a PC with SATA ability) I purchase a USB dock with two slots in it (69$ at bestbuy), this could be an answer to the individual asking about how to do this on an Apple. If you can bootcamp or virtualize a windows environment on your Mac, with a dual USB dock you could run WinMFS and do the copying. Suffice it to say, a big thanks to all you dedicated techies who really know this stuff and share with us who know less but desire to learn, it gave me the nerve to try this, and it was so easy with good instuctions. Now I've got a TivoHD that records more television then I should be watching:)
     
  15. Aug 30, 2011 #8015 of 10248
    ThreeSoFar

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    Good decision to go all new and just one drive! :up:

    Wait....isn't that the goal? what? :eek:
     
  16. Aug 31, 2011 #8016 of 10248
    Gowan

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    My original drive had 11.0k-01-2-652 on it when I did the transfer. To my knowledge, that's the latest software available. It's certainly what's on the new drive now and I've rebooted and connected to the server several times since the upgrade.

    It's a niggling problem. I record some stuff off to DVD and the now lingering time bar is a minor pain in the neck. I just find it extremely odd that's the only thing that doesn't seem to be working. I tried several other S-P-S codes and they worked fine. It's just the one that makes the time bar disappear quicker.
     
  17. Aug 31, 2011 #8017 of 10248
    dwit

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    Quite possibly, not directly related to the upgrade.

    http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?t=474797
     
  18. Aug 31, 2011 #8018 of 10248
    steve614

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    This is puzzling. The code doesn't work on my upgraded TivoHD, but it works just fine on my other TivoHD that isn't upgraded.

    :confused:
     
  19. Aug 31, 2011 #8019 of 10248
    dwit

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    That's quite possible too. Do both have the same version of software?
     
  20. Aug 31, 2011 #8020 of 10248
    Burdy

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    I'm seeing the same thing now on my Series 3 after I replaced its upgraded WD15EVDS (just died after 8 months) with the original 250GB HDD. I don't remember what version it was running last December when I removed it, but after being re-installed the software upgraded itself to 11.0k-01-2-648.
     

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