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Drive Expansion and Drive Upgrade FAQ

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by bkdtv, Oct 19, 2007.

  1. Aug 28, 2011 #7981 of 10248
    ccrider2

    ccrider2 New Member

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    Oh well....Thanks for clearing that up.
     
  2. Aug 28, 2011 #7982 of 10248
    dwit

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    Be aware that you can buy preconfigured 2 TB drives for the original S3 from weaknees and/or dvrdude, and possibly others.

    Some more competitively priced than others, so do your homework.
     
  3. Aug 28, 2011 #7983 of 10248
    SnakeEyes

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    So my 500GB DVR Expander is experiencing the issues others here have reported with freezing and reboots. I need a replacement but really don't a lot of space just something more than what the TiVo HD offers. Was curious what might be the cheapest route to go.
     
  4. Aug 28, 2011 #7984 of 10248
    dwit

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    No brainer. 1TB drives are $50. 2 TB drives are $70. These would be internal drives, and you have to do the work, but don't think there is anything cheaper. Certainly not on a price per GB basis.
     
  5. Aug 28, 2011 #7985 of 10248
    lpwcomp

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    John's...
    Since the least expensive pre-configured 2TB drive is more than twice the cost of a bare drive, if I were you I would take other factors into consideration.

    If your TiVo 3 is not on lifetime, you might consider replacing it with a THD.

    If it is on lifetime and the recordings you wish to keep for an extended period are not copy protected, consider getting a large drive for your computer and offloading the content. When the TiVo internal drive starts to die, replace it with another 1TB drive.

    If it is on lifetime and recordings are copy protected, bear in mind that you will loose all of your settings, SPs, and recordings if you install a pre-configured drive.
     
  6. Aug 28, 2011 #7986 of 10248
    richsadams

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    As lpwcomp mentions, the jmfs program will not work for upgrading the original Series3. However another member claims that he was able to upgrade his original Series3 to 2TB's. More here:

    http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?p=8667320#post8667320

    I don't know what he did exactly but if you're up for some command line work it might be worth a PM to get the details.

    Otherwise as dwit mentioned, you can purchase a 2TB pre-imaged drive for your original Series3. Otherwise winMFS and MFSTools still have an upgrade limit of about 1.3TB for the original Series3.
     
  7. Aug 28, 2011 #7987 of 10248
    richsadams

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    FWIW Season Passes are repopulated on a new drive if TiVo owners take advantage of the TiVo's online SP Manager.
     
  8. Aug 28, 2011 #7988 of 10248
    SnakeEyes

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    Looking over the FAQ, only seen Windows instructions. I have only Macs. Any way to do this with Mac? If not whats my next cheapest option?
     
  9. Aug 28, 2011 #7989 of 10248
    lpwcomp

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    John's...
    Since neither MFSLive nor JMFSLive are Windows programs, at best you can say that all you've seen is PC instructions. Both have worked on Macs.

    When upgrading a TiVo HD, the only thing you have to do using WinMFS is Supersize. A non-supersized drive will work just fine, you will just not have quite as much space for user recordings.

    The main problem with an Apple computer is that it is difficult to impossible to connect your own drive to a SATA port and some of the things you need to do to some drives e.g. wdidle3, possibly hdparm, can't be done on a drive connected via USB.
     
  10. Aug 29, 2011 #7990 of 10248
    SnakeEyes

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    Understood. It's been ages since I've done an internal expansion. Last one was a S2. So I guess then I need the next cheapest option besides doing all the work myself with an internal.
     
  11. Aug 29, 2011 #7991 of 10248
    dwit

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    1. Beg, borrow a pc.

    2. Have, or assist, a (trusted)techie friend with a pc do it for you. Winmfs and JMFS are really simple. Burn cd's of all the tools you may need ahead of time.

    3. Buy and install a preconfigured drive from dvrdude, weaknees, etc. Comparison shop. Prices may vary widely.

    4. Richadams, the "moderator" here is a big Apple guy(I have read). Maybe he will advise if you tell him your set ups.
     
  12. Aug 30, 2011 #7992 of 10248
    Gowan

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    An update:

    I went ahead and bought 1.5TB WD15EARS drives locally. I burned the jmfs iso to a thumb drive and booted from it and used the tools to copy my original 160GB drive and then expand it. Dropped to the shell and fixed the acoustic value. Drive is dead silent. I wasn't even sure it was working.

    Rebooted and used WinMFS to Supersize the drive. Tried the drive and it wouldn't soft-reboot, so used wdidle3 to fix it. Thought I wouldn't have to do that since the drive was manufactured in March 2011, but there it is.

    System Info shows 237 HD hours, 2072 SD hours.

    Would it be nice to have another half a gig for $10? Sure. However, I can't even imagine using up the space that's here at this point. I churn through recordings at a pretty good pace. Mostly, I wanted to convert everything to HD and now I can and then some.

    As I mentioned at the end of my last post, there is a very peculiar side effect: I can't seem to use Select-Play-Select-Pause-Select to make the time bar go away faster. Everything else seems fine. Any ideas?
     
  13. Aug 30, 2011 #7993 of 10248
    steve614

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    Did your original hard drive already have the latest software version and complete guide data?
    I just finished an upgrade to 2TB with an original drive that only had one week of guide data and after the upgrade I noticed that the Season Pass option was missing when I selected a show to record. Once my Tivo updated the guide data, the Season Pass option returned.

    So the advice I have is to give your Tivo a couple of days to get itself organized before you start 'customizing' it.
     
  14. Aug 30, 2011 #7994 of 10248
    sirdavidalot

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    I just updated my TivoHD and I'm having serious stability issues.

    I created a truncated backup with WinMFS and restored it to a Seagate Barracuda Green 1.5TB ST1500DL003.

    On the first restore, I answered the question about the 1TB partition sizes the wrong way and it allocated the entire drive (230 some hours). Tivo rebooted itself about an hour later and then started freezing. I ran the kickstart 54 & 57 diagnostics and nothing turned up.

    I did the restore again with the 1TB partition size. It boots up and looks normal, but it locked up after 2 hours.

    Any ideas on what to do from here?
    - Full copy from original drive
    - Do a guided setup on the new drive
    - Give up on Seagate drive and get WD (I'm using a laptop with USB-Sata dock, so I avoided the WDs since I couldn't run the utility)
     
  15. Aug 30, 2011 #7995 of 10248
    lpwcomp

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    John's...
    If this is really a THD, model 65xxxx, use JMFS to redo the upgrade from the original drive. You can use the entire 1.5GB. Just use WinMFS to supersize it.
     
  16. Aug 30, 2011 #7996 of 10248
    lew

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    TivoHD. Upgrade to a 2T drive.


    Unless I'm missing something I can either use Broflovski's hybrid image with winMFS or stock software with JMFS. I've used winMFS and I think I have the image.

    Which is the better option? I'd ask which is less likely to "break" as a result of tivo upgrading the software but that may be moot. I'd be shocked if we saw an upgrade with any real changes.
     
  17. Aug 30, 2011 #7997 of 10248
    richsadams

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    That's why the very first line of instructions in the jmfs TiVo HD upgrade guide says "Use an original 160GB Tivo HD Drive - if it doesn't have the latest software, install it back into your Tivo HD and force it to upgrade to the latest version..." NEVER skip steps! ;)
     
  18. Aug 30, 2011 #7998 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Did you run a drive diagnostic on your new Seagate drive? You could try running Kickstart 54 which is a SMART diagnostic. It's predictive but if it finds problems it will generally let you know...

    http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showpost.php?p=5643823&postcount=2

    Seagate drives used to have very high QC but since purchasing Maxtor they have slipped to the bottom of the pack. The 1.5TB drives required some odd firmware update a while back...not sure if that's still the case or not. Overall they're particularly problematic (really poor customer ratings everywhere) and that's why they are never recommended for TiVo upgrades.

    My advice would be to pick up a 2TB WD GP or Hitatchi CoolSpin drive and start my scratch using jmfs:

    http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?t=462179

    If you're not up for that I'd run some diagnostics on the Seagate drive, even if KS54 comes back clean. Use Seagate Tools's extended diagnostics and see what comes back.

    FWIW KS57 and KS58, TiVo's built-in diagnostic and repair tools are only capable of so much. If there's a major problem that they can't fix the programs will run quickly and just reboot TiVo...there's no messages and no way to know if they found something or not.

    Hope that helps...probably not what you wanted to hear, but best of luck and let us know how it goes!
     
  19. Aug 30, 2011 #7999 of 10248
    richsadams

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    The only way to go now is w/jmfs. You can download the latest winMFS program for Supersizing from www.mfslive.org/forums if needed.

    http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?t=462179

    Happy upgrading!
     
  20. Aug 30, 2011 #8000 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Excellent to hear that things worked out okay. I never used the 30 skip hack but IIRC it went away at some point...could be wrong about that though. Hopefully someone else will chime in.

    Enjoy!
     

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