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Drive Expansion and Drive Upgrade FAQ

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by bkdtv, Oct 19, 2007.

  1. Oct 23, 2007 #61 of 10248
    c3

    c3 TiVoholic

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    Isn't it possible that something is wrong with the drive, cable, or the TiVo?
     
  2. Oct 23, 2007 #62 of 10248
    bkdtv

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    What eSATA cable did you use?

    As indicated in FAQ #5 of the Non Verified section, many PC eSATA drives ship with cables that are not compatible with the Tivo.
     
  3. Oct 23, 2007 #63 of 10248
    nexus99

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    I'm using the SIIG cable that most everyone here uses. The drive is verified to work with a PC via firewire, eSata (using my sig cable), and USB. I have not ruled out that there could be a problem with the Tivo yet though. I will be returning the My Book and getting an Antec MX1. I'll report back on how that goes.
     
  4. Oct 23, 2007 #64 of 10248
    bkdtv

    bkdtv New Member

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    Before you return it, could you try removing all drive partitions using your PC?

    Open Computer Management under Control Panel -> Administrative Tools.

    In Computer Management, select Storage -> Disk Management. Select the eSATA drive and choose delete volume. After you delete the volume, reboot, then remove the eSATA drive and try it again on the Tivo.

    Let me know if that makes any difference.
     
  5. Oct 23, 2007 #65 of 10248
    nexus99

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    I did that too. I blasted the partition and attempted to PnP as well as boot with the drive attached. No dice. I am thinking that it has to be something with the eSATA to SATA chipset in the My Book Home. I am pretty sure that the TIVO can't POST with the drive attached.
     
  6. Oct 23, 2007 #66 of 10248
    HDTiVo

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    I suggest you write it up just that way so there is never any confusion down the road.
     
  7. Oct 24, 2007 #67 of 10248
    fred2

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    I thought that someone mentioned in a thread that he did copy the drive and restore it....

    found it, I think:

    http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?t=369296
     
  8. Oct 24, 2007 #68 of 10248
    bkdtv

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  9. Oct 24, 2007 #69 of 10248
    c3

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    That's just copying the entire drive bit by bit. As far as the TiVo is concerned, nothing changed. You cannot:

    1. Unplug drive A from TiVo.
    2. Copy drive A to drive B.
    3. Plug drive A back into TiVo.
    4. Unplug drive A and plug in drive B. <<< This should NOT work.
     
  10. Oct 24, 2007 #70 of 10248
    dsabine

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    I have to say that I am disgusted with Tivo's decision to not allow NON-VERIFIED drives for use with S3HD but to allow use with the more expensive S3. The most ridiculous part of this is that it has been indicated that Tivo didn't want to provide support for these drives. Tivo doesn't have to provide support, they could simply indicate that the user may or may not have positive results with this particular external drive but that Tivo cannot in way warrant the use of the drive.

    What really gets me HOT UNDER THE COLLAR is that I bought a CERTIFIED and RECOMMENDED DRIVE as listed in the forums. See link:

    Question # 33 - http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?t=350510

    The Western Digital WD5000AVJS is intended for DVR use and certified for 24/7 use but will not work with the S3HD - See the links that I've included here!

    http://www.wdc.com/en/products/products.asp?driveid=280&language=en

    http://www.wdc.com/en/library/ce/2879-701220.pdf

    I am one of the may Tivo devotees that will now, NOT BE ABLE TO RECOMMEND Tivo to friends. I've had two S1's, one S2 and now the S3HD. I waited patiently for the 9.2 with eSata expansion for RECOMMENDED AV DRIVES. I didn't open the box. when I found out the "62" kickstart wasn't going to work, I waited and requested the Priority 9.2 software update.

    Before anyone tries to flame and say that I can use a non-recommended drive by using the MFSLive, DON'T. It's ridiculous because I now have to void a warranty if I want to upgrade by opening the case so that I can marry drives. The capability is there to use the eSata port to use more than a pretty package WD drive that Tivo has partnered to sell. If the drive I have is made for DVR's as it is and is certified by WD then my S3HD should recognize and format.

    Here's the solution to it all www.mythtv.com along with a long list of features that we'll never see on a Tivo.
     
  11. Oct 24, 2007 #71 of 10248
    JohnBrowning

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    To think that anything recommended on a forum would necessarily be certified by anyone is simply ludicrous!!!
     
  12. Oct 24, 2007 #72 of 10248
    HDTiVo

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    Yeah, to confuse the forum with TiVo is a mistake. Besides, KS62 only worked with S3, it was obviously not there for THD. Plus to a great extent eSata discussion here is about MFS style efforts as well as PnP.

    However, expecting that TiVo allow other drives to be married after a warning, as they do with the S3, is reasonable.
     
  13. Oct 24, 2007 #73 of 10248
    naclone

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    sometimes, you get what you pay for.

    look, you were able to get just about everything i paid $800 dollars for last year by outlaying only $300. non-verified drive support or not, you made out pretty good.
     
  14. Oct 24, 2007 #74 of 10248
    mappler

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    I'm having trouble understanding some of the sentiment regarding the cost of the new drive. (I understand the desire to add more space than 500gb)

    It seems to me the TiVo solution for a 500gb external drive is a good price. Is there something here I am missing in the math? (Note: all numbers from "thenerds.net" for no reason other than that's what I picked)

    Seagate DB35 500gb drive: $138.65
    Antex MX-1 Enclosure: $48.65
    SIIG cable: $10.20
    Total: $197.50

    TiVo certified solution: $199.99

    Cost difference: $2.49 (assuming equal shipping costs?)

    Obviously your choice of storage space expansion is limited with this solution, but from a price standpoint, isn't this a total wash?

    -Matt
     
  15. Oct 24, 2007 #75 of 10248
    mute

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    I scored my 750gb DB35 for $160 w/ free shipping (not even on a deal), I believe the total cost of my external enclosure was ~$180 (had a $20 gc on the MX-1), so no, I wouldn't consider 50% more storage for less a wash.
     
  16. Oct 24, 2007 #76 of 10248
    Talsarris

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    Why do people quote prices with GCs as being a better deal? While your deal overall is better because of the larger HDD, it isn't cheaper, you spent $20 over that amount.
     
  17. Oct 24, 2007 #77 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Begging not to be flamed for a rant? Here’s hoping that folks will be kind. ;) Your frustration is understandable, but misplaced IMHO.

    First and foremost, the drive you purchase was neither “certified nor recommended” by TiVo, end of story. There are a lot of us here that have been tweaking, modding and hacking TiVo for many years. None of us expect what we’ve done to work forever (if at all sometimes :rolleyes: ) but historically TiVo has "accommodated" us as they have this time. The explanation given by TiVo is exactly what we'd hoped for. It could have easily gone the other way, infuriating a lot more long-time customers w/modified S3’s.

    TiVo’s decisions for expansion options on the S3 and the THD were based on common sense and more importantly solid business practices; being able to offer an expansion option and support in the most cost-effective manner.

    We’re going to replace our S2’s with THD’s and I wish they’d do whatever I dream up as well, but for now they won’t and I’m not going to cry about it.

    If you want to ensure your warranty stays intact and want more HDD space add the approved eSATA drive to your THD. Or have some patience because I suspect there will be a work around sooner than later. Or return it, get an S3 and use the drive you have. Or enjoy MythTV. (FYI, I’ve used it and it doesn’t hold a candle to TiVo.)

    So you can beat up on the folks on this forum for their creativity, but TiVo has lived up to its word as far as I can see. :up:

    My two cents. :)
     
  18. Oct 24, 2007 #78 of 10248
    mute

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    It was a $20 gc. What's a better deal? Spending:

    $199 for a 500gb drive in eSATA enclosure
    $210 for a 750gb drive in eSATA enclosure?

    If you rolled into best buy and spent $40 on an MX-1 and picked up the SIIG cable and 750gb drive which is available all over the net at $160, you're getting 50% more storage for $11 more.. you do the math.

    The My DVR drive is indeed sanctioned by tivo, but it's not a good deal from the $/gb perspective.
     
  19. Oct 24, 2007 #79 of 10248
    bkdtv

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    You are confusing manufacturer certified bare drive with "TiVo cerified" eSATA solution.

    Manufacturers market those bare drives for DVR use, but they can still fail if you stick them in the wrong enclosure. The Western Digital My DVR Expander is TiVo's verified eSATA solution with drive, enclosure, and cable.

    The previous FAQ (#32 and #37) listed the Western Digital My DVR Expander as a recommended drive. That was and still is the only full eSATA solution -- with drive, enclosure, and cable -- that is sold specifically for use with DVRs. I originally added that enclosure to FAQ #37 because of that fact, and because a member on AVS noticed something very interesting -- the My DVR Expander they received had a sticker which actually mentioned Tivo.

    That was your mistake.

    The previous FAQ for unofficial eSATA expansion in the 8.x software made it very clear that (1) Tivo did not officially support eSATA expansion, and (2) the kickstart62 method to enable eSATA did not work in the TivoHD. In fact, it went one step further and recommended that TivoHD users wait.

    Unless all you watch is local channels, MythTV cannot begin to compare to the functionality of a Tivo. MythTV does not -- and never will -- support CableCards, hence it cannot directly support encrypted high-definition channels. MythTV doesn't work with copy-protected high-definition recordings at all.
     
  20. Oct 24, 2007 #80 of 10248
    mooneydriver

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    The process of attaching an eSATA drive to an already-upgraded S3 is a mystery to me. The MFSLive web site does not have clear instructions. I looked at the FAQ under the "III. Non-Verified Drives" section, and the process described there didn't make much sense to me. Step 2 says "shut down windows and attach original tivo drive and your new eSATA drive." What am I missing here? Does it mean the "original" 250 GB drive, or the already-upgraded 500/750/1000 GB drive?

    Are there others besides George Cifranci who has successfully married an eSATA drive to an upgraded S3? sfhub, perhaps?
     

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