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Drive Expansion and Drive Upgrade FAQ

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by bkdtv, Oct 19, 2007.

  1. Aug 14, 2011 #7901 of 10306
    analog4

    analog4 New Member

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    I have a TiVo HD and I replaced the internal drive 3 years ago with a Seagate ST31000340NS Barracuda ES.2 1TB - post here.

    I work in computer storage, and that drive had a firmware update a long time ago (2+ years) that fixes a major issue. Before the TV season starts in a month I would like to update the firmware on the drive.

    Is there any technical reason that the TiVo box itself would have a problem with me upgrading the firmware of the drive? I don't know if it has any sort of firmware checks to see if it's changed or not, or if it will care if it has been changed.
     
  2. Aug 14, 2011 #7902 of 10306
    wkearney99

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    No, the Tivo isn't going to care about the drive's firmware. It just sees it as a drive, the firmware or even make/model don't really matter to it.

    Secondly, there's the old saying "don't fix what ain't broke". Might that be applicable to your setup? The Tivo is working and has been for 3 years. And you now want to crack it open and molest the drive. Because, why?

    Upgrading the firmware isn't going to cause trouble, but cracking open the box and doing it wrong might...
     
  3. Aug 14, 2011 #7903 of 10306
    L David Matheny

    L David Matheny Active Member

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    As I read the notice, it does sound like a potentially serious firmware bug, although your TiVo drive will rarely be power cycled and thus exposure should be minimal. I doubt that your TiVo would notice the firmware change. If you do tear into your TiVo, you might as well also buy another 2TB drive and clone (not expand, just image) your drive onto it, just in case. The clone drive would have to be at least as large as the Seagate. Backups are always good.
     
  4. Aug 14, 2011 #7904 of 10306
    lpwcomp

    lpwcomp Well-Known Member

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    Three years is about the point where TiVo drives start to have problems anyway. If you take it out to do the firmware upgrade, you should at least make a compressed backup just in case. Do it before you do the firmware upgrade. If you have a catastrophic hard drive crash, you don't want to be scrambling around for an image or have to buy InstantCake or a pre-imaged drive.
     
  5. Aug 14, 2011 #7905 of 10306
    unitron

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    Unless it's a Series 1. They are finicky about drives (and IDE/SATA adapters). Won't take a Caviar Blue of any kind, apparently.

    Also, I had 2 identical Seagates. I could get one to work in an S1 just fine, and either to work with some other brand drive,with either as Master, but trying to use those 2 Seagates together caused boot to hang every time.
     
  6. Aug 14, 2011 #7906 of 10306
    myblubu

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    I just orderd my 2nd Premiere and planning to upgrade it to a 2TB internal drive like I did my first one. I used the WD20EARS on my first Premiere and was planning on using the same for the new Premiere, but I'm curious, what is the 4k jumper installed on pins 7-8 on the WD20EURS? I don't recall changing any jumpers on any of the drives I used to upgrade my 2 THD's and the 1 Premiere. Was this a WD20EURS only thing? Only asking because based on Rich's comment below, I was starting to second guess my drive decision and maybe go with the WD20EURS instead of the WD20EARS.

    I was thinking of getting another WD20EARS drive to upgrade my 2nd Premiere like I did my first one. I used the DIY procedure on the forum and everything worked fine when I upgraded my THDs and the 1st Premiere - I adjusted the AAM & intellipark on each, so doing that isn't a problem for me. Since the WD20EARS is usally cheaper by a few bucks (now $75.99 vs $99.99 on Newegg), I went with that and planned to do so again. But has something changed now and the AAM can no longer be adjusted on the WD20EARS???
     
  7. Aug 14, 2011 #7907 of 10306
    analog4

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    The issue has to do with the drives logging entries getting full, and it won't clear them upon reboot and it will brick the drive. With an always on device like a TiVo, it won't be doing much rebooting.

    However, I'd hate to lose all of my shows and settings because I didn't take care of such a potentially serious issue.

    I do have another drive that I have in the Tivo HD - I could update the firmware on the spare drive and then make a backup to the spare one I have - just in case.

    I will probably watch whatever content I have on it just so the time it takes to copy is less (and it's a good excuse to the remainder of the stuff I have on it watched or deleted).

    The drive I have in there is an enterprise Seagate, so I'm pretty sure once the firmware update is set it will run pretty solid for a while. However, since I am opening it I could take the opportunity to put in a 2TB (or even just a newer 1TB) just to make sure.
     
  8. Aug 15, 2011 #7908 of 10306
    dbenrosen

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    I went with the WD10EARS. My adapter didn't come Friday, so hopefully it will come today.
     
  9. Aug 17, 2011 #7909 of 10306
    dbenrosen

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    How long should a backup from winmfs take? My original drive is connected via USB. It seems to be hung. All i see is the spinning circle for windows 7 with the backup window grayed out. The ETA is blank, the partition being copied says Processing... And the status bar is empty.It has been like this for about 20 minutes.
     
  10. Aug 17, 2011 #7910 of 10306
    richsadams

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    It depends on what kind of backup you're performing. If it's a truncated back it will only take a few minutes if that. If you're copying all of your recordings, etc. it will take as long as it takes for the data to completely transfer and that of course depends on how many recordings you have and the speed of the data throughput. USB is the slowest of course.

    Ignore the status bar, it's rarely accurate if ever.

    Two suggestions...

    If you want to see if the process is still running simply open your Task Manager and view the process. If it's active, it's working.

    Sometimes a window will open "under" an existing window. If things looked stalled, move the current window around on your desktop to expose any that may have opened beneath it.

    So if you're copying over all of your recordings, etc. it can take up to several hours via USB.

    EDIT: I scanned back through your posts and it looks like you have an original Series3 and that you're going to save all of your recordings. That being the case, then yes, it will take a while.

    Hope that helps!
     
  11. Aug 17, 2011 #7911 of 10306
    dwit

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    Are you doing/restoring a just a truncated back up, or are you copying programs(MFS Copy)?

    Just doing a truncated back up should be pretty much immediate(iirc).

    But if you are copying shows, it could take a few hours(many hours for usb and depending on how many shows).
     
  12. Aug 17, 2011 #7912 of 10306
    dbenrosen

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    Just doing a truncated backup. In task manager it says not responding as the status. Any thoughts?
     
  13. Aug 17, 2011 #7913 of 10306
    richsadams

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    So you connected your original TiVo drive to your computer and performed the truncated backup correct? And now you have the new drive connected and you're performing the upgrade/expand?

    The reason I ask is that in one of your posts you indicated that you thought you needed both drives connected to your computer at the same time and that you purchased a SATA/USB adapter. If you just wanted to perform a truncated backup you don't need to connect both at the same time.

    That said, if the process stalled for some reason, then of course you'll probably need to start over.

    At what point in the upgrade process were you in? Post a few details just so we can be clear about what you're doing.
     
  14. Aug 17, 2011 #7914 of 10306
    richsadams

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    dwit...I know you're lurking out there. ;) Stay tuned if you will. I may have to bail to pick up friends at the airport pretty soon. If so, you can certainly jump in to assist dbenrosen with his upgrade.

    Of course, you can jump in any time anyway! :)
     
  15. Aug 17, 2011 #7915 of 10306
    dbenrosen

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    I have both drives connected to the computer. The original drive is connected via SATA/USB. The new drive is connected directly via SATA. I was attempting to make a truncated backup (for future safety) before I do I full copy to the new disk.

    My PC is running Windows 7. I disconnected the DVD drive and have 3 disks connected. 1 is the Windows disk. The others are my new drive (via SATA to motherboard) and original TiVo (via USB/SATA). I guess I can just kill the process and start it over?
     
  16. Aug 17, 2011 #7916 of 10306
    dbenrosen

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    It did create the empty file where it would save the backup. That appears to be as far as it has gone. I am "Running as Administrator" otherwise it doesn't see the disks.
     
  17. Aug 17, 2011 #7917 of 10306
    richsadams

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    Yes, I'd start over. If you follow the directions on the FAQ (Section V, #22a - TiVo Internal Upgrade Instructions: Preserves Settings Only) carefully you'll see that you only need one drive attached at a time (besides your Windows drive). Note that it says "Do not connect the replacement drive at this time. ".

    So yes, I'd disconnect everything, reboot the computer just to be sure no cruft is left and start again. Follow the directions and you s/b good to go.
     
  18. Aug 17, 2011 #7918 of 10306
    richsadams

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    Okay, I just read your post again...you do in fact want to do a "full copy" to save all of your recordings correct? So essentially you just wanted a truncated copy for safety's sake? No harm in that, it's just that you really should put the original drive on the shelf for safe keeping...there's really no better backup than that.

    So now if I understand what you're doing, you do actually want to save all of your recordings so you will in fact want both drives attached at the same time and you'll be following the instructions in Section V, #22b of the FAQ. Apologies for the confusion...been a long day.

    Hard to say then why the process stalled, but give it another go and let us know what happens...should be fine.
     
  19. Aug 17, 2011 #7919 of 10306
    dbenrosen

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    I shut down, then connected the original drive directly using the SATA connection and left the blank/new drive disconnected. Same thing happens. Once I click Start, it creates the file and then hangs.

    Another interesting thing, when I Select the drive, it says it is a Series 2 or 3 disk, but if I the select View->Mfsinfo that gives me a message that it is not a TiVo drive. I'm not sure if Mfsinfo should work, but it is kind of surprising.
     
  20. Aug 17, 2011 #7920 of 10306
    richsadams

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    Hmmm... Is the "donor" drive an original TiVo drive or one that you've already upgraded?
     

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