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Drive Expansion and Drive Upgrade FAQ

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by bkdtv, Oct 19, 2007.

  1. Aug 9, 2011 #7881 of 10248
    Stuxnet

    Stuxnet Alien Infidel

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    FWIW the WD20EARS is $20 less than WD20EURS; the WD10EARS is $5 less than WD10EURS (Source: NewEgg).

    Me... I'm cheap... I put a WD20EARS in my Premiere... reset both AAM and Intellipark.
     
  2. Aug 9, 2011 #7882 of 10248
    richsadams

    richsadams Active Member

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    With respect to the 1TB drives, the difference is nominal, about $10 now and at times it's less than that.

    The only real advantage of the EURS over the EARS in a TiVo application is that the EURS already has the AAM set to the quietest level (128). You should be able to adjust the AAM on the EARS using HDDScan which is pretty easy...just an added step.

    I say "should" because there are recent reports, specifically about the WD GP 2TB drives that indicate that you can no longer adjust the AAM (w/HDDscan).

    All of that being said, the EARS drives (and in fact all of WD's GP drives) are very quiet out of the box and many folks never adjust the AAM. If the TiVo were in a bedroom or other situation where silence is golden, I guess I'd go for the A/V series like the EURS. Otherwise it's your call of course.
     
  3. Aug 9, 2011 #7883 of 10248
    dbenrosen

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    All of the information says I need to have both drives connected at the same time to be able to copy and upgrade the drive. Is it possible to backup to my Windows drive and then restore that (with all of the recordings) to the new drive? My Windows drive is large enough to handle the image.
     
  4. Aug 9, 2011 #7884 of 10248
    unitron

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    Which model TiVo?

    What size is the drive you want to copy? IDE or SATA?

    What size is your target drive, i.e., the one that will be the new TiVo drive? IDE or SATA?

    What size is your "Windows" drive? IDE or SATA?

    Is your computer a desktop or laptop?

    How will you be hooking up the drives? Straight cable to the motherboard? Adapters?

    That's not a GigaByte brand motherboard, is it? (If it is, we may be able to work around that.)
     
  5. Aug 9, 2011 #7885 of 10248
    dbenrosen

    dbenrosen New Member

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    It is a Series 3 (the one with the time display on the front)

    Original drive is the original drive in the TiVo, 160GB SATA. The new drive is a 1TB SATA.

    The Windows drive is 1TB and has plenty of free space to copy all 160GB of the original TiVo drive. The Windows drive is also SATA.

    The computer is a desktop. Unfortunately the newer PCs don't have all of the expansion and easily reached connectors of the older ones (like I used the last time I upgraded one of my TiVos). I can disconnect the DVD drive and connect one drive at a time. I do not have a USB to SATA connector (I'm asking around to see if I can find one). My plan would be to connect the original drive directly to the motherboard, backup/copy the image to the Windows drive (hopefully using WinMFS), then shutdown, connect the new drive directly and restore that full image to the new drive.


    No it is not.
     
  6. Aug 9, 2011 #7886 of 10248
    unitron

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    Okay, your motherboard has a SATA port for your Windows, i.e., boot drive, and a SATA port for your optical drive.

    Are we out of SATA ports already?
     
  7. Aug 9, 2011 #7887 of 10248
    dbenrosen

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    Yes. That is all of the ports.
     
  8. Aug 9, 2011 #7888 of 10248
    dianebrat

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    Other than the obvious SFF Dell units I've used in the past with only 2 SATA ports, I'm surprised to hear you have that few. My current HP tower has 6 SATA ports in it as did my last, I think I have a Gateway from 2004 that has 4 SATA ports on it.
     
  9. Aug 9, 2011 #7889 of 10248
    dbenrosen

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    It is a SFF Gateway, which explains the limited sata ports. I originally bought it for the kids to use, never thinking I would need the ports. Now it is the only pc i have in the house. I have a couple of macs which definitely aren't made for upgrading TiVo drives without USB to sata connectors.
     
  10. Aug 9, 2011 #7890 of 10248
    unitron

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    WinMFS can do disk to disk copy or it can make a truncated backup file.

    In order to backup the entire disk to an image file, you'll need to use the MFS Live cd, which means you'll need to have your optical drive hooked up, unless you can figure out how to make a bootable USB stick out of it.

    The command would be

    backup -Tao "backupfile" "olddrive"

    The problem there is the size of the backup file, even if you have the space on your PC drive.

    FAT32 partitions can't handle files bigger than 4GB (if I recall correctly). That's one 2 hour show at best quality.

    NT partitions can handle bigger files.

    MFS Live can mount FAT32 partitions

    mount -t vfat "partitiontobemounted" "mountpoint"

    but I don't think it can properly mount and write to NTFS partitions.

    The solution which occurs to me is to shrink the partition(s) on your Windows drive and convert all the unused space to an unpartitioned space at the end of the drive.

    Then create an ext2 partition in that space and use it as the location for the backup file.

    Or maybe an ext3 partition.

    I don't know enough to know how big a file either can handle, but at least the MFS Live cd will be able to mount, read, and write to, the partition.
    The command would be

    mount -t ext2

    or maybe -t Ext2

    You'll have to do some research on ext2 and ext3


    As for shrinking your Windows partition(s) I was going to say get the PartedMagic Live cd v5.10, but now he's up to v6.6, which would be great, except there are now different versions for different CPUs and I'm not sure which is right for me, much less for you.

    If you can find a site that'll let you download v5.10, you should be alright.

    And you're going to need at least one SATA drive to USB port adapter, but I don't know which one to recommend.

    And before you use the MFS Live cd, go to mfslive.org and read the full guide, several times.
     
  11. Aug 10, 2011 #7891 of 10248
    lpwcomp

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    Where can you buy what?
     
  12. Aug 10, 2011 #7892 of 10248
    richsadams

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    He's a spammer...already reported.
     
  13. Aug 10, 2011 #7893 of 10248
    chrishicks

    chrishicks Tivo Junkie

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    I haven't seen the Hitachi Deskstar drives mentioned recently as a recommended drive. I did 3 S3s with them around a year or so ago and had 1 extra one as an emergency backup. Well today my homemade 1TB external on another S3 decided it was time to quit so I just used that backup drive to get up and running again. I want to order another drive(I like having one readily available) but don't want to bother with the wdidle3.exe stuff(tried multiple times with a drive and could never get it to work on my PC). Is anyone using the newest version of the Deskstar with success?

    This one in particular:

    http://www.amazon.com/Hitachi-Deskstar-Cache-Internal-0S02860/dp/B003SX0ORU/ref=pd_cp_e_2
     
  14. Aug 10, 2011 #7894 of 10248
    bobman0330

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    Anyone have any ideas about this? Thanks!
     
  15. Aug 10, 2011 #7895 of 10248
    dwit

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    No "intellipark analogue" with the Seagate. Only thing I might suggest is if you purchased the drive locally, you might try getting ann exchange to see if another works better. Don't know how probably, but a defective drive is a possibility.

    You might also review the procedure again, thoroughly, to possibly determine if an error was made. Check reassembly for secure connections, etc.
     
  16. Aug 11, 2011 #7896 of 10248
    fatpants

    fatpants New Member

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    Hi everyone. I've had many issues with my current drive freezing during playback, so I've decided to jump in and upgrade my Tivo HD to a larger drive. Reading through some posts here, I bought the WD20EURS drive.

    So I have the new drive, my Tivo HD is open and the current hard drive removed - but I'm very overwhelmed with what to do next. I'm not very technically savvy, and reading through threads that are referenced a few pages back, I'm not sure what the proper steps that I need to take are. I'm afraid that I'm in over my head.

    Could someone please point me to a specific set of instructions that I should follow? Maybe a YouTube video? Trying to piece together instructions from different threads scares me - I'm afraid I'm going to miss some steps and screw it all up.

    I would like to clone my current Tivo drive onto the new 2TB drive (to keep all my recorded programs and settings), and then make sure that I'm using all of the hard drive space that I can. My computer is running Windows Vista, if that is important.

    Thank you very much.
     
  17. Aug 11, 2011 #7897 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Here are the instructions for upgrading your TiVo HD to 2TB's of recording goodness using a program called jmfs...

    http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?t=462179

    The jmfs program for TiVo HD's is supplemented with another program called winMFS for one step called "Supersizing" which is not necessary but gains a few more hours of recording time. If you want to skip the Supersize step, that's fine. You can do it at any time, so if you wanted a little more space later you could do it then...it's just a little easier since the drive is already out.

    AFAIK no one has made a YouTube video specific to that upgrade, although there are some out there. (FWIW to date I haven't seen one that's very good...they always seem to miss something or other, which is not a good thing.)

    It may sound complicated to begin with, but just take one step at a time...don't skip or modify any and you should be just fine. If you're comfortable connecting a hard drive to a computer you shouldn't have much trouble...again, just take one step at a time. The most time will be the copy process which is bit-for-bit so can take a few hours to complete. Grab a cup of coffee and read a good book.

    The only item that isn't included in the instructions is how to adjust the Intellipark setting (which can cause TiVo to hang at the initial boot up or during a menu restart). The program that you'll use is called wdidle3.exe. It's easy to use and the instructions are on the FAQ of this thread (first post) under Section IV, #29.

    That's a good drive choice by the way as the AAM (auto acoustic management) is already set to the quietest level and won't need adjusting. :up:

    Again, just follow the steps carefully and you'll be fine. If you run into any issues just post your question on that forum and someone will generally respond right away.

    Happy upgrading!

    Oh, and welcome to the forum!
     
  18. Aug 11, 2011 #7898 of 10248
    fatpants

    fatpants New Member

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    Thanks so much Rich for the response. I read through the instructions a few times to get a grasp on them... I still don't have 100% confidence, but so far so good. I'm currently in the middle of doing the copy. Keep your fingers crossed for me. :)
     
  19. Aug 12, 2011 #7899 of 10248
    dbenrosen

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    Decided to buy the USB-to-SATA connector. I was trying to avoid this additional expense but didn't really see a viable option. I should be upgrading tonight or tomorrow.
     
  20. Aug 12, 2011 #7900 of 10248
    lpwcomp

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    What model is the new drive?
     

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