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Drive Expansion and Drive Upgrade FAQ

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by bkdtv, Oct 19, 2007.

  1. Jun 19, 2011 #7701 of 10248
    unitron

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    Isn't the Instant Cake problem that the script that runs it is written to use /hdx and doesn't allow for /sdx?

    Most any drive upgrade you do nowadays, you're going to want to use a SATA drive and, on S1s and S2s, an appropriate adapter (read the adapter thread), so doing the work on a SATA only computer won't necessarily be the sticking point.

    You really shouldn't put yourself in the postition of having to rely on buying and using IC.

    I'm not saying don't buy it, I'm saying don't be forced to.
     
  2. Jun 19, 2011 #7702 of 10248
    benraymond

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    Alright, so my current only working desktop that I built has a Gigabyte GA-P55A-UD3 in it.

    Is this going to be a problem with the Gigabyte HPA issue? How do I avoid it? Turn it off in Bios? Boot from the linux version of MFS?

    Thanks

    Ben
    In my 20 minutes of perusing the Manual, I think I'm OK - I'm assuming that HPA is also Backup BIOS Image to HDD?

    Backup BIOS Image to HDD the system to copy the BIOS image file to the hard drive. If the system BIOS is corrupted, it will be recovered from this image file. (Default: Disabled)
     
  3. Jun 20, 2011 #7703 of 10248
    unitron

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    There is no separate GigaByte HPA thread yet, but start reading here

    http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?p=8565385#post8565385

    and go forward to learn a bit more about the issue.

    Short version, some GB boards apparently create a Host Protected Area, supposedly at the end of a hard drive, and back up the BIOS to it on every boot. This is in addition to, and not necessarily in any connection with, the special super-duper double secret hidden partition at the end of the drive created by XpressRecovery2.

    XpressRecovery2 supposedly goes looking for space on what it thinks will be the computer's boot drive, so it starts with the Master drive on the Primary IDE (PATA) controller, goes through all the PATA drives, and then starts looking at the SATA drives.

    The BIOS backup HPA function may, and probably does, follow the same rules/logic, but GigaByte ain't sayin'.


    Some GB board BIOS'es seem to have an enable/disable option for the BIOS backup function, and some (like my 2 GB boards) make no mention of it whatsoever, but still create the HPA.

    It may be that the enable/disable option doesn't prevent the creation of the HPA but only controls whether anything is written to it.


    I suspect that the loss of a little bit of space at the end of the drive would not, in and of itself, be a problem for a TiVo (other than screwing up a "dd" of one drive to another of the same size), but when it creates the HPA it has to make some sort of a record of its existance somewhere on the drive (I think), and I suspect that it may be in a form that doesn't screw up DOS/Windows type partition tables, but is incompatible with the Apple_Partition_Map scheme used by TiVos, and heaven only knows what happens when it does it to a drive that then gets a byte-swapped Series 1 partition map.
     
  4. Jun 20, 2011 #7704 of 10248
    benraymond

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    Thanks for the info, Unitron.

    I hope that my board, with the "Backup BIOS to HD" off (by Default), will not have this problem. I will just have to see.

    Thanks

    Ben
     
  5. Jun 20, 2011 #7705 of 10248
    unitron

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    Experiment and report back.
     
  6. Jun 22, 2011 #7706 of 10248
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    adamwsh

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    I just noticed that the instructions at the top of this thread tell you to do two different things to correct the Idle issue with WD green drives.

    In the "V. Internal Drive Upgrades" section, it says to "run "wdidle3 /D" to disable IntelliPark"

    In the "IV. Unsupported External Drives (also known as "Non-Verified" drives)" sections it says to "run "wdidle3 /S300"."

    Why would it be different depending on it being internal or external?
     
  8. Jun 22, 2011 #7708 of 10248
    unitron

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    Isn't the external always on, unless you pull the plug?

    In other words, during a soft boot, it just keeps spinning and waiting for instructions, so you just need to postpone intellipark long enough for the TiVo to reboot.

    That's the best theory I can come up with at the moment, based on never having used an external on a TiVo and never having needed to adjust anything on a Caviar Green since I only use them so far in computers running Tivo Desktop.

    Maybe richsadams will show up and enlighten us.
     
  9. Jun 23, 2011 #7709 of 10248
    empire2k

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    I'm posting my upgrade experience, just to reinforce that it would be fantastic if the FAQ (first post) could get updated...

    I purchased a 1 TB Western Digital 10EURS Green drive, manufactured Jan 24 2011, to replace an ailing 750 GB Seagate that had provided 4.5 years of faithful service in my Series 3 TCD648250B. As I only own Macs, one of which can run WinXP using Bootcamp, I followed the directions for WinMFS to create a truncated backup and then restore that backup to my new drive - no problem.

    However, when I put the new drive in my S3, it booted once and then would not boot again. It always hung at the "Welcome" screen. After finding a few posts mentioning that WDIDLE3 might be the answer I was able to borrow a PC from work that had SATA on the motherboard to update my WD 10EURS. After making the adjustment I haven't had a problem with either hard or soft reboots.

    So, at this point, unless you have access to the correct PC hardware to run WDIDLE3 (SATA on the motherboard) it would probably be safest to avoid the WD Green drives again.

    Thanks to all on this forum for maintaining such a great knowledge base!
     
  10. Jun 23, 2011 #7710 of 10248
    istrategist

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    Bought a 1 T WD EARS from Amazon last week and got one manufactured Sep 27 2010. A big thank you to everyone who contributed to the sticky and made the upgrade easy. Only glitch was that when I reset it froze on the welcome screen, so I had to wdidle it - however, it showed some random characters when I booted from the CD, so I created a bootable USB (following steps from a google search result: CANNOT POST MY LINK BECAUSE OF LOW POST COUNT) except the last part where I used the WDIDLE3 from the iso on this site.

    It seems to work, however it is showing me only 142 hours instead of 157. Remember reading somewhere that it may be that way until a software upgrade.

    Again, really appreciate the step by step detailed FAQ and guidance...
     
  11. Jun 23, 2011 #7711 of 10248
    ThAbtO

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    It maybe you need to run supersize on the drive. If you used WinMFS, there is the supersize option. You can do it any time anyways.
     
  12. Jun 24, 2011 #7712 of 10248
    adamwsh

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    I posted my WD10EARS experience here.

    I had the same funky characters issue. To correct it I followed the instructions that are at the top of this thread: "If you have a newer PC, you may need to enter your PC bios and temporarily switch your SATA controller to EIDE mode from AHCI/RAID. This change is needed before a bootable DOS CD can detect the drive on some newer PCs."

    Interesting that your USB idea did the trick!
     
  13. Jun 24, 2011 #7713 of 10248
    istrategist

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    I selected that option as part of the backup restore process. Maybe I should have run it separately again later. May run it separately in a week or so...
     
  14. Jul 4, 2011 #7714 of 10248
    asteinfeld

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    A belated thanks for Rich's advice, and I'm happy to report another successful upgrade. Some notes:

    1) The process of divorcing the 1 TB Expander took over an hour. I was sure the Tivo had frozen, and was about to pull the plug when it rebooted. Patience is a virtue.

    2) I used a WD10EARS for the upgrade. It was manufactured 8/10, so based on this thread I decided to run WDIDLE3. Getting it to successfully run took two different computers and and several hours. I found the whole process remarkably user-unfriendly, and I'd spend a few more bucks on a different brand to avoid this step.

    3) After getting past WDIDLE, the rest of the process went quite smoothly according to the FAQ, and I now have a functioning single-drive TiVo. Thanks again for your help.
     
  15. Jul 5, 2011 #7715 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Good points, congrats and enjoy your "new" TiVo!
     
  16. Jul 5, 2011 #7716 of 10248
    rick123

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    I upgraded my original 1st HD tivo with a WD 500gb drive. That WD drive lasted about 2 years before dying a slow death that allowed me to transfer most recordings prior to replacement. I replaced the 500gb with a WD10EVDS 1gb HD. This second replacement drive is still working fine.

    I purchased and upgraded our second HD tivo about a year after the first. This HD tivo received a WD10EVDS 1gb model. That drive also lasted about 2 years before a no notice catastrophic fail with grinding noises etc. All recordings were lost. I will be replacing that drive today (that's why I am back visiting on BB to review procedures...) with an identical model supplied under warranty by WD.

    The reason for this post is to let users know that the WD Warranty replacement process is extremely easy! All you do is look your broken drive up by serial #, if under warranty (most are 3 years with partial credit beyond I think) get an RMA number, and ship the drive back (at your cost, but USPS media mail for me was $3.12). WD will ship your replacement drive immediately if you give them a credit card number, or ship upon receiving your broken drive otherwise. I had the replacement drive in 4 days.

    I imagine the other drive makers have similar policies, but I've always used WD. Are the drives failing because of quality, I don't know?. But it appears I have a lifetime supply only a few clicks away.

    Best regards Tivo community.
     
  17. Jul 5, 2011 #7717 of 10248
    TheLongshot

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    I will second this, since I just got back the EARS that failed in my Tivo and the process was relatively painless. Now I just need to find the time to transfer everything back over and install it in the Tivo.

    Well, I do have a stack of 500GB Caviar Blues that failed in my NAS after 3-4 years, tho I suspect it happened because the ventelation was clogged with dust and it wasn't getting the airflow it needed.
     
  18. Jul 5, 2011 #7718 of 10248
    unitron

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    When you sent that drive via Media Mail, did the PO give you a hard time about the contents of the package?
     
  19. Jul 5, 2011 #7719 of 10248
    adamwsh

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    I just replace a Seagate 1TB drive because it was making weird clicking noises and pauses on the screen.

    I looked into Seagate's warranty, and the drive is under warranty, but it said to use their SeaTools first to run diagnostics because they won't replace it if there is no codes upon execution of the diagnostics. I ran the SHORT and LONG tests and it did not report any errors. I even formatted it to NTFS and ran Windows 7 Checkdisk and it also did not report any trouble.

    So, I guess I can't return it, even though it was making really weird noises and performing poorly.

    Why would it make noises and perform poorly in my Tivo, but when running the diagnostics it does not show any problems??
     
  20. Jul 5, 2011 #7720 of 10248
    rick123

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    I told the woman exactly what it was, she said it was media mail. " I said it was a hard disk containing data files that had failed and was being returned." The policy is old, I think it says "computer disks". But I don't think they can argue that the drive contains digital media files, which are part of the policy.
     

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