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Drive Expansion and Drive Upgrade FAQ

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by bkdtv, Oct 19, 2007.

  1. May 16, 2011 #7581 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Agree with Stuxnet. I'd try reinstalling it and giving it a few tries at booting. If it doesn't cooperate go ahead and run wdidle3.exe and either set the timeout to 300 seconds (5 minutes) or disable it and see if that doesn't do it.

    FWIW the Intellipark setting wouldn't be affected one way or the other by the IC (or any) image or vice versa. However there still may be an issue with some of these drives. :mad:
     
  2. May 16, 2011 #7582 of 10248
    bakem84

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    Yeah, I had restarted it about 4 times. I wised up pretty quickly and left the cover off after the first couple adjustments.

    I'll take a look at it tomorrow and get a manufacture date.
     
  3. May 16, 2011 #7583 of 10248
    richsadams

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    TIA. I can't recall anyone using the EURS line recently, so it may be that the Intellipark caveat may still apply. Ugh.
     
  4. May 16, 2011 #7584 of 10248
    nooneuknow

    nooneuknow TiVo User Since 2007

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    IC doesn't support drives larger than 1TB. It's in the IC FAQ section fine print (of the sellers' website). Or, it *should* be there, since it is a limitation with IC.

    That is... as of the last time I checked. Nobody has been updating/improving the product... as of last time I checked.

    I purchased a copy a while back, and found that it has a LOT of limitations. It's also a product that uses FREE publicly available tools (mfstools) as the engine to install the drive image (the part not so easy to get a hold of).

    One of my "favorite" limitations, is that it won't allow you to use it to restore an original TiVo drive. The FAQ states it isn't possible. Yet, if you use it on a larger drive, you can use WinMFS to copy the larger drive to the original drive, and WinMFS re-sizes everything appropriately!

    ANYBODY CONSIDERING PURCHASING INSTANT CAKE SOFTWARE SHOULD READ THE **ENTIRE** IC FAQ & SUPPORT SECTION ***BEFORE*** PURCHASING THIS NON-REFUNDABLE PRODUCT.

    I wouldn't be so harsh about IC if they hadn't doubled the price, without even updating it, or adding any sort of support (other than the FAQ). I feel the hardware requirements, as well as ALL the limitations, should be presented to the buyer pre-purchase, as opposed to hiding them away in the post-purchase FAQ.

    If you do your "due-diligence", by digging around here at the TCF, you'll find that TiVo images ARE out there, and there is an image begging thread for requesting links to images (with a humorous thread name). Then it's only a matter of using WinMFS or MFSTools to install the image. WinMFS couldn't be any easier to use.

    In the case of drives larger than 1TB, even WinMFS/MFSTools aren't able to use the whole drive (Original Drive Capacity + 1TB = The Limit).

    So, sometimes you wind up using an intermediate drive that isn't too large for IC/WinMFS/MFSTools, just to build a TiVo imaged drive, and then use Comer's jmfs tools to copy/expand it to the larger drive.
     
  5. May 16, 2011 #7585 of 10248
    richsadams

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    D'oh! I completely forgot about that. :eek: I still have conversations with the original owner of DVRUpgrade and he confirmed that the new owner (Weaknees) has not worked on any upgrades for IC, at least as of a couple of months ago. That would explain this issue anyway.

    Adjusting the Intellipark setting probably won't make any difference in this case.
     
  6. May 16, 2011 #7586 of 10248
    nooneuknow

    nooneuknow TiVo User Since 2007

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    I find it is best to just initiate a KickStart57 on the first boot after using ANY/ALL the TiVo drive imaging/copying/expanding utilities.

    This is even true with jmfs. I've used it many times, on both Premieres and HDs. Weird things happened when I didn't make sure and do a KS57 at first boot.

    For those who insist on instant-gratification, it won't provide that, since it will take "up to three hours" (more like one hour or less, with a new drive), to complete and then start the 10-15 minute boot process.
     
  7. May 16, 2011 #7587 of 10248
    JoeTaxpayer

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    ? Well, I asked here before hitting "buy".
    But for me, it's more about solving the mystery. And I'm happier to know the answer now. I have space in my old Macs to load the 1.5TB, so it won't go unused.
    So thanks for saving me another hour of experiments, and I'll keep an eye out for more 1TB drive sales. Other drives are bound to go soon.
     
  8. May 16, 2011 #7588 of 10248
    nooneuknow

    nooneuknow TiVo User Since 2007

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    Honestly, it didn't hit me until you asked if your mixed results could have anything to do with the different drive sizes you were working with (1.5TB / 1TB). Your original inquiry slipped by me (I must have been busy watching TiVo).

    Most of us here (that have been upgrading for a while), have graduated to keeping our original TiVo drives on a shelf, or performing some other form of backup, eliminating the need for IC (as well as remembering all of its requirements & limitations).
     
  9. May 16, 2011 #7589 of 10248
    JoeTaxpayer

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    @nooneuknow - When I first wanted to swap out drives I went the IC route. I understand there was another method of copying off original. Never did that. Not even sure if I kept the older drives. As I have three different models, I've picked up three IC images over the years.
    Thanks again, I've learned a lot from these threads over the years.
     
  10. May 18, 2011 #7590 of 10248
    windracer

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    I'm pretty sure this will work but wanted to run it by the experts just in case there's something wrong with my logic ...

    I'm tired of having the 1TB WD Expander hanging off of my OLED S3 (original internal drive). Rather than having to deal with finding one of the specific models of drives that will work (as listed in this thread), I figure I could just divorce the Expander, make a truncated backup of the internal drive with WinMFS, crack open the Expander and take out the 1TB drive, restore the image to it and use it as the single internal drive. I'm willing to lose the extra 320gb of recording capacity by just keeping that stock drive around in case of emergency.

    Any flaws in my logic here?
     
  11. May 18, 2011 #7591 of 10248
    richsadams

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    No flaws that I can see. I guess my only concern would be the lifespan of the external drive (which s/b a WD10XXVS drive). If it's been in service for a while it means that it may be that much closer to failure. If you can spare the money I'd suggest just getting a new 1TB (or even 1.5TB) drive. That way you'll have a little peace of mind and a 3 year warranty.

    Otherwise I think you'll be good to go! :up:
     
  12. May 18, 2011 #7592 of 10248
    windracer

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    Thanks for the confirmation. Yeah, the age of the drive is a factor, but at this point it's newer than the stock internal drive! ;)
     
  13. May 18, 2011 #7593 of 10248
    JoeTaxpayer

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    I'd think you could get more value from selling the expander and buying a new 1TB drive.
    If I'm cracking stuff open, I'd rather stick a new one in there.
     
  14. May 18, 2011 #7594 of 10248
    windracer

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    Yeah, you're probably right about re-selling the Expander. Maybe I should just do that and then put the money towards a WD10EVDS instead.
     
  15. May 19, 2011 #7595 of 10248
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    I hope this is the right place to post, but I had a drive fail on a Series 3. I got a WD5000AAKX as a replacement. Ran instantcake on it which seemed to work correctly and took a few minutes to write to the disk. Now, however, I'm stuck at welcome! powering up where it loops continuously. It'll show the screen for about a minute then restart and do the same thing over and over. Any suggestions on how to fix this please? Thanks!
     
  16. May 19, 2011 #7596 of 10248
    eskay

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    Just adding another data point...

    I installed a Western Digital WD20EVDS into my S3. Got stuck on "Powering Up". Disabled Intellipark and now it boots okay. Did a restart and still okay.

    Model: WD20EVDS-63T3B0
    Serial #WCAVY6773253
    Date: 03 MAR 2011

    [edit] I should add that I limited WinMFS to 1Tb and am showing 212 hours of recording capacity. I went with the 2Tb drive because it was cheaper than 1.5Tb and in case I re-purpose it for computer use down the road.
     
  17. May 19, 2011 #7597 of 10248
    ashu

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    Finally about to switch to Verizon FIOS (installation scheduled for next week).

    This means I really should finally revive my S3 with a new hard drive.

    Which means I am posting an open request to one of the kind usual suspects to point me to an S3 image!
    (to clarify, my 250GB drive is dead, unrevivable a,d not useful as a source!)

    At least losing the Comcast cable card pairing info won't be painful, since I'm ditching Comcast as well! Can anyon confirm that FIOS continues to not pair cards to the TiVo? So were I to 'upgrade' to a Premiere I could retain ONE of the two M-Cards I'll get from Verizon for reuse in the Premiere in multi-stream mode, and return the other, without requiring a future truck roll?

    Also, requesting a confirmation that the 1TB WD 10EVCS and 10EVDS are two of the supported/reliable/recommended upgrade options for the S3. About to pull the trigger at Newegg for 69.99

    Thanks!
     
  18. May 19, 2011 #7598 of 10248
    ashu

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  19. May 19, 2011 #7599 of 10248
    dwit

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    Just throwing an idea out: Did you have to use, or change any jumpers on the drive while running the IC program. If so, is the jumper removed or correct for the drive to now operate in the Tivo?

    Also, are the sata and power cables properly connected to the drive now that it's back in Tivo?

    Finally, did you check to see if it is necessary to adjust "intellipark" settings for that particular drive model?

    Good luck?
     
  20. May 19, 2011 #7600 of 10248
    windracer

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    Hey ashu, haven't seen you around in a while ... welcome back (or, if I've just missed seeing your posts and you've never left, hello again!).

    PM sent.
     

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