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Drive Expansion and Drive Upgrade FAQ

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by bkdtv, Oct 19, 2007.

  1. Feb 16, 2011 #7281 of 10248
    Jason.Nina

    Jason.Nina New Member

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    Hey Guys,

    My Series3 is having a more frequent spontaneous reboot. I would like to replace the drive before it is lost so I can keep my shows and settings.

    The Series3 has the original internal drive. I have an eSATA that I assembled. It is an Antec case with a 750 GB Seagate DB35.3.

    I saw in the FAQ that I may lose the ability to have an external drive when I replace the original. Did I read this right?

    Last thing, I see that a local Brick and Motor store carries a Western Digital GP Caviar, but the model number doesn't match up to anything I can find elsewhere. The specs look okay to my eye except for IntelliPark:

    •1TB maximum storage capacity
    •Serial ATA interface
    •Data transfer rates up to 3 Gbps
    •IntelliPower (5400 rpm - 7200 rpm) for fast read/write times
    •8.9 ms average seek time
    •IntelliSeek and IntelliPark features help lower power consumption

    Would this be okay?

    Thanks,
    Jason
     
  2. Feb 17, 2011 #7282 of 10248
    richsadams

    richsadams Active Member

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    If you're using winMFS or MFSTools to upgrade your Series3 from stock to a 1TB drive you do lose the plug and play external drive option. However you can bless or "marry" an external drive during the upgrade process. Details are included in the first post.

    Although the first post hasn't been updated in a little while it's still current with respect to the upgrade process...nothing has changed.

    Many, many folks here are successfully using WD GP drives including yours truly. The specs look fine/normal. Can you post the model number?

    With respect to Intellipark, if the drive was manufactured after September 15th, 2010 there's nothing to worry about. If it was manufactured prior to that it's possible that the Intellipark setting will need to be adjusted per the first post/FAQ to avoid it hanging on the initial boot or menu restart. The date of manufacture is printed on the label on the hard drive itself. If you can open the box you can check it out.

    Now, all of that having been said, it may be that your external drive is the issue...might be the eSATA cable or something else. Before jumping to replacements and such, you might want to read this post and see if anything applies:

    http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?p=7553444#post7553444

    FWIW your best bet would be to go ahead and upgrade your internal hard drive to 1TB and not reconnect the external drive as it's just an additional fail point IMHO.

    Hope that helps and happy upgrading!
     
  3. Feb 17, 2011 #7283 of 10248
    Jason.Nina

    Jason.Nina New Member

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    That's great advice, thank you. The drive model is listed as: Model: WDBAAY0010HNC-NRSN | SKU: 8492026

    I'm not sure what that is, though. It doesn't match up with any drives listed in the recommended, but it is a 1TB Caviar GP. I can price match it at the Navy Exchange to save on the sales tax. So, it would cost me ~65 (I hope that doesn't violate any forum rules).

    I'm going to follow your advice in the other forum to test the drives. I did disconnect/connect the eSATA last night to firm up the connections and clean the dust out of the drive enclosure. If I end up replacing the internal drive I think I'll take your advice and forgo the eSATA.

    Thank you
     
  4. Feb 17, 2011 #7284 of 10248
    unitron

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    That number is the number on the box.

    You may find the same drive in a box with a different number.

    For example I have 3 (on sale the day after Thanksgiving Caviar Black) WD1001FALS drives I got from Best Buy.

    The two that came from the local store say

    WD10000LSRTL

    on the sticker on the bottom of the box.

    The third, which bestbuy.com shipped to me, says

    WDBAAZ0010HNC-NRSN

    on the sticker on the bottom of the box

    but it's the same drive inside.


    WDBAAY0010HNC-NRSN

    googles up a bunch of listings, including one at Newegg, and the big version of the pictures shows the drive itself with

    WD10EADS

    on the label.

    Oddly enough the Newegg page for the OEM/bare drive WD10EADS doesn't show any pictures of the label on the drive, just the insides of it, and they want $5 more than they're asking for the retail box version.
     
  5. Feb 18, 2011 #7285 of 10248
    MPSAN

    MPSAN Active Member

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    Newegg has the WD10EARS for $54.99 and free shipping with promo code EMCKHJB26 not bad at all, if you ONLY need 157 HD hours!!
     
  6. Feb 19, 2011 #7286 of 10248
    hoyty

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    Just wanted to post what so far seems to be a sad follow-up to my success mentioned in previous post. I had a power outage today and it appears the new replacement drive is dead. With it in the S3 only gets to welcome screen and no farther. I still have my original 250 GB and I popped it in and it booted right up (to a 3 year old image before I got FIOS). I am going to pull the drive and see if I can mount it in a PC. However I am not hopeful. After succeding to recover the data of the last failing drive, kind of a downer to lose it all for real most likely this time less than 2 months later. I guess I get to go back to WD for another replacement.
     
  7. Feb 19, 2011 #7287 of 10248
    L David Matheny

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    Doesn't that sound like the old IntelliPark issue? Read up on that.
     
  8. Feb 19, 2011 #7288 of 10248
    hoyty

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    I thought about that, but I am not sure why it would suddenly happen? If it is I should be able to mount it in a PC. I will report back once I get in a PC.
     
  9. Feb 21, 2011 #7289 of 10248
    hoyty

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    Very confused, but happy I must say. I attached the "failed" replacement drive to a PC and it seemed to mount fine. I didn't show up to WinMFS, which I am not sure why. I then rebooted with the WDIDLE3 boot disk. One note for others is I couldn't get WDIDLE3 to recognize anything other than a single or at least primary master. After working around that issue I used WDIDLE3 /d on the drive. (It was set to 8 seconds before.) I then stuck the drive back into S3 and it worked. I am not sure if it was the WDIDLE3 or simply attaching the drive to the PC? I also can't figure out why this drive worked perfectly for almost 2 months (through other power outages and reboots) and then suddenly stopped.

    Either way I am happy it appears to be working again and hope it stays that way.
     
  10. Feb 21, 2011 #7290 of 10248
    unitron

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    Go get yourself an uninterruptable power supply for that TiVo.

    I think either Staples or Best Buy has them on sale at the moment.
     
  11. Feb 22, 2011 #7291 of 10248
    hoyty

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    Agreed, very much so. Will do so today after shoveling the latest round of snow in MD.
     
  12. Feb 22, 2011 #7292 of 10248
    unitron

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    I'll try to send up some of our warm coastal breeze. : - )


    (of course it's usually accompanied by rain)
     
  13. Feb 22, 2011 #7293 of 10248
    bowlingblogger

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    +1. I have a Cyberpower UPS hooked up to a mine and it's been rock solid.
     
  14. Feb 22, 2011 #7294 of 10248
    ThreeSoFar

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    Newegg has $10 off code on any hard drive, BTEKHHJ27, through 27 FEB.
     
  15. Feb 23, 2011 #7295 of 10248
    billbillw

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    I tried this code and it would not work on the WD10EVDS, so apparently, its only for certain drives. Do you have any more info on this code? Where did you find it?
     
  16. Feb 23, 2011 #7296 of 10248
    MikeAndrews

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    It's only for external hard drives.
     
  17. Feb 23, 2011 #7297 of 10248
    billbillw

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    Thanks for clarifying that. Unfortunately, that doesn't help me.

    I'm looking to upgrade our bedroom HDTivo from the original 160GB drive. Its just too small.

    What do you guys think about a Seagate ST3500414CS (500GB) for only $33? That is from an Ebay seller who claims the drives are new OEM drives and guarantees them out of the box for 30 days.

    I know, 1TB is so standard (and cheap) these days, but that 500GB Seagate is one of the quietest drives ever tested and in our bedroom, that is important.

    I guess its either that Seagate, or one of the 1TB WD Green drives. I just don't know if I can justify doubling the price since we really don't use the bedroom Tivo near as much.
     
  18. Feb 23, 2011 #7298 of 10248
    Thunderclap

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    I'm trying to backup my Tivo HD 160GB drive but WinMFS keeps saying it's Not a Tivo Drive. Backup failed! This is the original drive that came with the unit. I have Windows 7 x64 and I'm running WinMFS as Admin. Any ideas what's wrong?

    DISREGARD: I booted into Safe Mode and that got it working.
     
  19. Feb 23, 2011 #7299 of 10248
    MPSAN

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    Bill, does this help on a wd10ears from Newegg? See my post #7285. Not sure it still works.

    EMCKHJB26 was $10 off and free shipping to make it $54.99.

    P.S. Picked my wife up from airport last night as she was in Atlanta Perimeter center area.
     
  20. Feb 23, 2011 #7300 of 10248
    MikeAndrews

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    I just - so far successfully - upgraded my #2 Original Series 3 OLED from the OEM 250GB Western Digital drive to a 1.5TB Western Digital WD15EVDS Green AV-GP drive using WinMFS to get the 1.35GB of space. WinMFS ran without error.

    It did one stutter-lock up-reboot on the first boot but it's working. I guess I shouldn't push things*. At least the reboot proves it doesn't have the soft boot problem.

    I'll let it burn in and post how it goes.

    It's showing 213HD/1860SD hours.

    It was at at an alarming 44C with the cover off but it's down to 42C now. I put the cover on but the fact that I'm holding the screws out shows how much confidence I have.

    * I'm getting the impression that the slowdowns- reboots happen when the disk is swamped with requests. In this case maybe it was frantically indexing the new drive and checking for updated program info when I tried to play a saved video. The lesson is to let it breathe for a few minutes but see the next post.
     

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