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Drive Expansion and Drive Upgrade FAQ

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by bkdtv, Oct 19, 2007.

  1. Jan 14, 2011 #7201 of 10248
    ThreeSoFar

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    Helpful, as always, Rich. Thanks.
     
  2. Jan 14, 2011 #7202 of 10248
    ThreeSoFar

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    Not as simple, and not WinMFS, but there's the live CD option (winmfs.org has it). It's a Linux boot CD, so you can just unplug and not use both your SATA Windows drives during the transfer.

    You need to confirm (as I do for y new Premiere) whether the live CD can handle the size of destination drive you're trying to use.
     
  3. Jan 14, 2011 #7203 of 10248
    richsadams

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    I'm a little confused...but that's not unusual. Let me see if I understand your situation. It sounds as if you currently have a 750GB drive in a TiVo that's going south. You'd like to upgrade/replace it with a new 1TB drive and keep all of your recordings correct?

    If so (and I'm assuming your 750GB drive is still functional) all you need to do is use winMFS to perform the upgrade as you did before (Section V, #22b in the FAQ). Of course that would entail connecting both your 750GB and 1TB drives to your computer at the same time while running winMFS from your PC's Windows drive.

    If your PC has 2 SATA drives connected currently there's a good chance that it has more SATA ports available. Check your motherboard's documentation. If not you could connect one drive to one SATA port (leaving your Windows drive connected, again, assuming it's one of the SATA drives in your PC) and use a USB/SATA adapter or drive dock to connect the other drive. As you acknowledged, the process will take longer but it will work.

    The MFSTools program ThreeSoFar mentions should work as well.

    Of maybe I've missed your point completely? If so set me straight...including which TiVo model you have, etc.
     
  4. Jan 14, 2011 #7204 of 10248
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    Rich,

    You've got it right. I've got a failing 750GB drive in one of my TiVoHD's (a few posts back) and want to replace it with a new 1TB drive that I received last night. My PC is homebuilt with an ASUS P4P800-E Deluxe motherboard, so it supports both IDE and SATA drives, with the compromise that it only has two SATA connectors on board.

    ThreeSoFar,

    Just this morning I was wondering about a Live CD option. I have a couple Live CD's that boot to mini-XP operating systems for cleaning up PC's that won't boot to an infected drive. I'm pretty sure they see both my 1TB SATA drives and at least one of them - perhaps both - provides internet access if needed. I also have a Linux Boot CD I use for the GPartEd program, but I haven't checked to see if I can run other programs from it.

    I was hoping to use WinMFS from WinXP because of my previous experience with it from doing my first two drive upgrades three years ago. Do you know if it can be installed/run from a typical WinXP Live CD environment?

    Do you know where I can learn more about using the MFSLive LinuxBoot CD? All the threads on the download page at MFSLive.org are locked (I am registered and logged in) and are a few years old. Is everything I need to know available at this page? I'd just feel more comfortable having an active thread or forum to post to if anything gets messed up going the MFSLive LinuxBoot CD route?
     
  5. Jan 14, 2011 #7205 of 10248
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    The threads on the download page may be locked but the forums aren't.

    There's not a lot of activity, but it's not dead yet.

    And there's the help center forum here as well.

    If you're on a 750GB drive you probably already have as many partitions per drive as TiVo will allow, so the extra 250GB will sit there unused, assuming you plan to keep the shows you have recorded on the failing 750.

    The MFS Live CD (most recent version is 1.4) is from the same guy as WinMFS, but it's strictly command line, white letters on black screen, no mouse necessary, I don't even think it loads a mouse driver.

    The page you link to is about WinMFS, not the Live CD.

    Start at

    http://www.mfslive.org/

    and explore from there.
     
  6. Jan 14, 2011 #7206 of 10248
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    I'm not following you on the "extra 250GB will sit there unused" part. It was my understanding that I would be able to use all the extra space of the new larger drive for more recordings. Is that not the case?
    Is there any kind of status indicator during the operation to help detect if the program is frozen as opposed to just taking a long time? Is there an easy way to ensure the right Disk ID's are used as the source and destination in the command line?

    Between WinMFS and the MFSLive LinuxBoot CD method, is one any faster than the other? Does MFSLive have the same functions (mfsadd, supersize, et al.) as WinMFS? Or do you run WinMFS on the new drive after transferring the system and recordings to it with MFSLive?

    Despite all my questions regarding MFSLive, I'm really hoping to do this operation with WinMFS. Does anybody know if a Live Boot CD method would allow the use of WinMFS? Otherwise, I'm thinking I might just want to leave the 1TB drive with the My Documents folder in place, temporarily replace the other SATA drive with the failing TiVoHD drive, and hook up the new SATA drive with my Universal Drive Adapter via USB (much slower).

    Let's say just for grins that I elect to not transfer the recordings of the failing 750GB drive in the interest of saving a few hours in getting the new drive up and running. And let's say I have no desire to ever use the 750GB HDD in a TiVo again. Is there any tool at all that would mount this MFS drive from Windows or Linux and provide access to the recordings at a later date (like something akin to disaster recovery on NTFS volumes)?
     
  7. Jan 14, 2011 #7207 of 10248
    ThreeSoFar

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    Yes, there is, ascii output with a percentage.
    There is. Do this:

    dmesg # or if that is too long do this:
    dmesg | grep sd


    This will show the boot logs, part of which will show which drive (the sd should be the sata drives) is which, by name and size. There's also the mfsinfo program, which should work with the MFS live CD. It's strictly read only, safe to run on any drive. It looks for TiVo partitions and if there gives you a rundown of the size:

    mfsinfo /dev/sda
    mfsinfo /dev/sdb


    WinMFS after a successful MFSLive transfer/upgrade will NOT be necessary. Otherwise, I'm not a good one to ask the MFSLive questions, I've only ever done the Linux version.
     
  8. Jan 14, 2011 #7208 of 10248
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    So if I use MFSLive via the LinuxBoot CD to copy/transfer the old 750GB HDD to the new 1TB HDD, I should have the full 165 Hours of HD capacity - right? No need for Supersize?

    If so, now I'm leaning toward the LinuxBoot CD method...
     
  9. Jan 14, 2011 #7209 of 10248
    ThreeSoFar

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    Spreading the joy here. $20 rebate on up to FIVE(5) WD20 EADS or EARS drives, from many online vendors (newegg, amazon, etc.).

    It's good until 16 JAN.
     
  10. Jan 14, 2011 #7210 of 10248
    ThreeSoFar

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    Yes and no. One of the command line options (-x, see the usage statement with "restore -h") with the Linux method adds the "supersize" part once the "backup/restore" portion is done.

    Use this site to generate your backup|restore command, or just the usage statements (for backup also) with some common sense will get you there.. It'll be something like this:

    backup -qTao - /dev/sdb | restore -s 500 -xzpi - /dev/sda

    Use any of these to help figure out which is source and which is destination:

    mfsinfo /dev/sda
    mfsinfo /dev/sdb
    fdisk -l
    dmesg | grep sd


    Reply here if you want some explanation of the pipe character "|" and the use of "-" to indicate stdout/stdin.
     
  11. Jan 15, 2011 #7211 of 10248
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    Good deal. Probably should post this over on the jmfs upgrade thread since this thread doesn't cover 2TB upgrades.

    Nice find though. :up:

    EDIT: I see you have.
     
  12. Jan 15, 2011 #7212 of 10248
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    I just opened up the WD10EVDS I got from Newegg and see it has a date of 02 AUG 2010 on the label. Does this mean it's going to have the Intellipark issue requiring the running of wdidle3.exe to adjust the timeout to /s300? If so, when is the best time to run that utility? Does it run from inside Windows?

    Also, the Western Digital website doesn't have a wdidle3.exe utility on the WD AV-GP page, and the page I found it on says to only use it on the drives covered by that page. Can anybody give me clarity on that?
     
  13. Jan 15, 2011 #7213 of 10248
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    Unless the WinMFS "supersize" function does something more, and more complicated, than the -x (expand) option/switch added when one runs the restore command on the MFS Live CD, then the "supersize" function won't be able to help if your source drive already has as many partitions as TiVo allows on one drive.

    The TiVo is not a computer, it's not even a Mac. It's computer-y, and computer-ish, but it has some rules of its own about how things are.

    It doesn't use the PC-type partition scheme that allows up to 4 primary partitions, one of which can be an extended partition full of lots and lots of logical partitions.

    Although it uses the old Apple Partition Map, it doesn't follow the Apple rules either, so no 64 partitions per drive.

    Chances are that when you originally upped your drive size the first and second pair of MFS partitions (as well as the non-MFS partitions) were copied over same size, except maybe swap, and then a third MFS pair was added to fill the rest of the drive.

    The MFS partitions are where the recordings are kept, and the way you get more space for programs is to add more MFS partitions, but you can only have just so many per drive, and, as far as I know, you can't expand the ones you already have.

    As far as I know, in order to use all of your new 1TB drive, you'll have to restore to it from an unexpanded image, either the one you made when you first upsized, or if your 750 will hold together long enough, a truncated backup from it, and then expand. Doing it that way means losing all of your recorded shows.

    Oh, one other thing. Never use the -q option/switch, it just hides information from you.
     
  14. Jan 15, 2011 #7214 of 10248
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    The only way to find out if you need to adjust the Intellipark timeout is to perform the upgrade, install the drive in TiVo and see if it will boot up. If it boots up try a menu restart. If it reboots you're good to go. You can run the wdidle3.exe utility any time, before or after the upgrade.

    Follow the directions in Section V, #14 of the first post on this thread.

    Happy upgrading!
     
  15. Jan 15, 2011 #7215 of 10248
    tluxon

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    I just thought of another way that might work for this upgrade. I have a Dell XPS Studio 16 notebook with Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit on it and a couple USB drive enclosures (take either SATA or IDE). I realize the copying would be much, much slower, but that way I wouldn't even have to touch the drive configuration in my WinXP desktop. I could just let it run all day or however long it takes without any impact on my use of the desktop.

    What do you think? Is that a pretty foolproof way to do the upgrade without having to open up the desktop? Or are there potential complications using USB ports as SATA drives and/or in using Win7 64-bit?
     
  16. Jan 15, 2011 #7216 of 10248
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    That sounds like a fine plan for upgrading providing your computer recognizes the drives in the enclosures (some enclosures have bridges that could cause problems). That has worked for others as it's similar to using a USB adapter or dock.

    The only issue will be if you have to adjust the Intellipark feature. That doesn't work with USB adapters/docks/enclosures and must be done with the hard drive connected directly to a SATA port on a computer.

    There shouldn't be any issues running wimMFS (I think you're back to that) using 64bit Win7 as long as you're signed in as the Administrator and have any virus protection turned off.
     
  17. Jan 15, 2011 #7217 of 10248
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    I ended up just using my WinXP desktop with WinMFS. I put the failing 750GB HDD on a USB Adapter and temporarily replaced the desktop's non-essential (the one without "My Documents" and "My TiVo Recordings" directed to it) SATA drive with the new WD10EVDS HDD. That way the writing operation to the TiVo destination drive is the one with the biggest pipe to the motherboard. So far it's been copying for 10.5 hours and has 37 of the 39 status bars filled in.

    Before taking the drive out of the TiVo, I deleted a total of 67 shows from the Now Playing list. Unfortunately, it wasn't until after removing the drive that it occurred to me that I didn't remove them from the Recently Deleted list. I assume this forces mfscopy to copy even the deleted files, doesn't it? Can anyone confirm this?

    When I pulled the failing drive, I saw that it was one of those Seagate DB35 drives I had put in both of my TiVoHD's when I first got them. That was the type of drive that was most recommended at the time. This one is only 3 years old and I seem to recall these drives having 5-year warranties on them. Anybody have experience with Seagate's backing of these drives?
     
  18. Jan 15, 2011 #7218 of 10248
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    You're correct, removing the Recently Deleted Recordings would have made the process go faster, but not a big deal.

    IIRC Seagate DB35's did have a five-year warranty. I returned one (not a DB35) to Seagate once and it was painless. You might have a look on their website and see what you can find out.

    Let us know how things go!
     
  19. Jan 15, 2011 #7219 of 10248
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    The WD10EVDS with manufacture date 02 AUG 2010 seems to be working fine so far. No problem with the soft restart as of yet.

    I'll see if I can find anything wrong with the 750GB Seagate DB35.3 drive I replaced. I hope whatever was wrong was just an isolated incident because my other TiVoHD has another of the same drive in it and I'd just as soon have it keep working for a while.

    Thanks for your patience with my earlier indecision.:)
     
  20. Jan 15, 2011 #7220 of 10248
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    That's great news! There were a couple of other posts about EVDS drives manufactured prior to 09/15/10 not requiring the Intellipark setting adjusted (one as early as March 2010 IIRC). Seems they may have received the firmware change earlier than most of WD's other GP drives.

    The Seagate DB35 was/is a good model. I still have a four-year old DB35 running as a backup drive and it's been flawless. It's so quiet I have to look at the LED light to see when it's working.

    Enjoy your "new" TiVo!
     

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