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Drive Expansion and Drive Upgrade FAQ

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by bkdtv, Oct 19, 2007.

  1. Oct 18, 2010 #6701 of 10248
    pgoelz

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    I just upgraded my TivoHD by installing an internal 1TB drive and I didn't see this quirk in the otherwise excellent FAQ or in the replies I read.....

    I just replaced my old WD 1TB "green" PC backup drive with a WD 2TB "green" drive and decided to use the old 1TB drive in my TivoHD. Since it was formerly used as a backup drive, it had very few hours on it. During the upgrade, everything worked as expected EXCEPT that WinMFS would not recognize the 1TB drive until I deleted the NTFS partition and left the drive unassigned (as if it was new). Perhaps it would be a good idea to cover this in the FAQ so others who use previously formatted drives in the Tivo don't have to scratch their heads like I did.

    Paul
     
  2. Oct 18, 2010 #6702 of 10248
    ThAbtO

    ThAbtO TiVoholic by the bay

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    Windows should not recognize the Tivo drive, if it had, you have to run 'Fix Bootpage' on WinMFS.
     
  3. Oct 18, 2010 #6703 of 10248
    pgoelz

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    You misunderstand. The issue is that WinMFS does not recognize a formatted drive as a destination drive.... just an unformatted unallocated one. The upgrade / transfer process works fine if you use a brand new destination drive. But if you do as I did and use a previously used drive as the destination, you need to delete the partition(s) and put it back to unallocated status before WinMFS will recognize it as the destination drive.

    Paul
     
  4. Oct 18, 2010 #6704 of 10248
    ThAbtO

    ThAbtO TiVoholic by the bay

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    Yes, I know. Just wanted to note the previous post. Basically, remove all previous partition on a non-Tivo drive.

    Perhaps these should be added to the first post, if its not already.
    FAQ: What do I do now that Windows has recognized my Tivo drive(s)? A: Run 'Fix Bootpage' on WinMFS.
    FAQ: How can I get a previous used drive to be used in Tivo? A: Remove all partitions on that drive.
     
  5. Oct 19, 2010 #6705 of 10248
    A J Ricaud

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    Intellipark is alive and well on a WD10EARS w/a build date of Sept. 2, manuf. in Malaysia--had to run wdidle on for it to even boot. Now running fine.
     
  6. Oct 19, 2010 #6706 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Good to know. Thanks for the datapoint! :up:
     
  7. Oct 20, 2010 #6707 of 10248
    linetest

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    I'm just jumping in here as I want to replace my original Series 3 drive. I read the upgrade FAQ and see almost no WD drives listed. As I scan through posts, I see some alphabet soup of WD part numbers. I would prefer a WD drive.

    Any reason folks are not going with the WD A/V drives (1TB Drive is model WD10EVDS)? Seems like these would be ideal for this purpose yet folks are going for some other models.

    Thanks.
     
  8. Oct 20, 2010 #6708 of 10248
    ThAbtO

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    Those are WD drives, like 10EVDS,10EVCS, 10EARS etc. Hard drives are a part, aren't they?
     
  9. Oct 20, 2010 #6709 of 10248
    linetest

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    Not sure what you mean. Yes, they are all WD drives. But is there a difference? Any reason to go with one over another?
     
  10. Oct 20, 2010 #6710 of 10248
    ThAbtO

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    They actually are their model numbers, hardly any difference between the models.
     
  11. Oct 20, 2010 #6711 of 10248
    dougdingle

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    I have an S3 with the original (250 gig?) internal drive, and an external 1 TB drive.

    Is it possible to upgrade the internal 250 to a 1 TB dive (for a total of internal+external of 2 TB) without losing the shows?

    Some places on the MFS site seem to suggest this is doable, others seem to say this is not supported.
     
  12. Oct 20, 2010 #6712 of 10248
    aristoBrat

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    For anyone else like me who only read a little of the FAQ before jumping in, just wanted to added that my WD10EVDS required wdidle before it would boot, too.

    I was expecting it to probably hang on soft-reboots w/o the wdidle, but didn't catch that it might not boot without it.

    Your post being on the "Last Page" totally saved my night. Thanks! :)
     
  13. Oct 20, 2010 #6713 of 10248
    A J Ricaud

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    Glad I could help. This site has saved me many times.
     
  14. Oct 20, 2010 #6714 of 10248
    tcfcameron

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    You have been given incorrect information by another poster here.

    All those drives have different model numbers because they are DIFFERENT. Look up the model numbers with the search tool on Western Digital's website and you will be able to find the correct information, which will show that each drive is different, and the differences can be very important.

    Why on earth somebody here would advise that, basically, a 1TB WD drive, no matter what the model number, is the same, is beyond me.

    There are cases where WD will take the same drive and assign it a different model number, but they are few and far between. This usually involves whether it is sold as a "retail boxed drive kit" or a "bare OEM drive".

    I use 2TB WD20EADS drives in all of my TiVos. There are other model numbers, such as, WD20EARS, WD20EVDS, and a few others with different letters after the WD20 part. They are all different drives. Some are in completely different drive categories and have very different intended uses. There's the GP line, the AV-GP line, the Caviar line, etc. The cache size can vary dramatically between lines, as well as the RPM speed.

    I'd highly suggest doing your own research, and not take what is said in these forums on blind faith. My own recommendations, for the best suited drive is the AV-GP line (rated for 24x7 operation), followed by the GP Caviar line (not rated for 24x7 operation).
     
  15. Oct 21, 2010 #6715 of 10248
    richsadams

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    All of Western Digital's GP drives including the WD10EVDS, WD10EVCS, WD10EACS, WD10EADS, WD10EARS, etc. have been and are being used successfully to upgrade TiVo's and specifically the Series3.

    TiVo's hard drive requirements are minimal so any extra speed (above 5400RPM) or cache (OEM TiVo Series3 HDD's have 2MB of cache) won't result in any performance enhancement. WD's A/V dedicated series of drives are a good choice as they have the benefit of lowered Auto Acoustic Management or AAM (128) which makes them very quiet howerver TiVo can't take advantage of or doesn't require the other features of those drives. Although the "standard" WD GP drives are quiet out of the box, the AAM can be lowered to equal the A/V drive's specifications by using a program called hddscan.

    The reason these drives were removed from the recommended list for now is due to WD's proprietary Intellipark feature that allows the drives to spin down and park the heads when they are idle. Since TiVo drives are recording 24/7 the "feature" is never utilized but because of it these drives can hang at the initial boot, after a software update or a menu restart. To address this a special program, wdidle3.exe, has to be run to adjust or disable the timeout of the Intellipark feature. FWIW it appears that WD GP drives manufactured after mid September 2010 no longer require the adjustment.

    Everything else you need to know can be found in the FAQ and if you follow the instructions to the letter you shouldn't have any problems upgrading your Series3 but if you have any other questions, don't hesitate to ask.

    Happy upgrading!
     
  16. Oct 21, 2010 #6716 of 10248
    Robbdoe1

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    Rich, you are not allowed to take any more time away from the forum :D. It can get ugly in here without you ;).

    Robb
     
  17. Oct 21, 2010 #6717 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Unfortunately the answer is no with respect to the recordings. However you can transfer any non-copy protected recordings to your computer using TiVo Desktop, KTTMG or one of the other third-party programs and then return them to your "new" TiVo after the upgrade.

    After upgrading the internal drive your external drive can no longer be connected via plug and play, however you can use it if you marry or "bless" the external drive during the upgrade process.

    All of the info for everything you want to do is included in the FAQ, but as mentioned in the previous post, don't hesitate to ask any questions that might arise.
     
  18. Oct 21, 2010 #6718 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Understood. :eek: It'll never happen again...at least until next time. :D
     
  19. Oct 21, 2010 #6719 of 10248
    tcfcameron

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  20. Oct 21, 2010 #6720 of 10248
    richsadams

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    I don't know for sure but IIRC it can't be done due to a Kernal limit or Apple partition issue, but I can't recall if it's that or something else. FWIW if it were possible I don't know why you'd lose any recordings since you're just blessing a second drive.

    Here's a post by someone that installed two 1TB drives inside his four TiVo HD's:

    http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?p=7348722#post7348722

    You might want to check with the OP to see if he ran into any issues.

    Then it's probably best to check in with Spike at mfslive.org

    Sorry I couldn't be more helpful, but if you get an answer one way or another, it would be great if you could post the details! TIA.
     

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