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Drive Expansion and Drive Upgrade FAQ

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by bkdtv, Oct 19, 2007.

  1. Oct 11, 2010 #6681 of 10248
    bigguy126

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    Just a FYI for everyone that is going to expand their hard drives. I recently bought :

    Hitachi Deskstar (OEM) [3.5" 1TB / 7200RPM] 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Internal Hard Drive [MODEL# 0F10383]

    and installed it no problem but.... It is very loud. I tried everything in the FAQ including the HDDscan and the Hitachi tool. I noticed that Hitachi removed the AAM from the current version so I used the older. Anyway, it appears that this you cannot change the AAM on this drive. I got the message that the firmware does not support it. So if sound is a concern for you do NOT get this drive. I have it in a bedroom and it is really loud.

    If anyone has any ideas on other ways to change the AAM, let me know.
     
  2. Oct 11, 2010 #6682 of 10248
    richsadams

    richsadams Active Member

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    Thanks for the info. As you found out the hard way, not all Hitachi Deskstar hard drives are created equal. The standard Deskstar 7K1000 series acoustics average 2.9bels to 3.2bels (and can be higher). By A/V standards that is very loud. The Hitachi drive most folks are using for their Tivo's, the Deskstar 7K1000.C HD31000 IDK/7K, is considerably quieter at an average of 2.4bels to 2.5bels.

    To reduce the AAM (auto acoustic management) to 128 HDDScan should work (if you're logged on as administrator) but if not you could try the Hitachi Feature Tool. Be sure to use v2.11.

    Here are links to the full/boxed and OEM drives:

    Amazon Box:

    http://www.amazon.com/Hitachi-Deskstar-HD31000-IDK-7K/dp/B002D5XY8A/ref=pd_cp_e_0

    Amazon OEM:

    http://www.amazon.com/Hitachi-Deskstar-7K1000-C-HDS721010CLA332-internal/dp/B0035WQBOY

    More info and links to the tools can be found on the Drive Expansion and Drive Upgrade FAQ sticky thread. Have a look at Section IV, #32 in particular:

    http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?t=370784

    Perhaps you can return your drive?
     
  3. Oct 13, 2010 #6683 of 10248
    wisny

    wisny New Member

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    I now have a WD Expander attached and functional :up:. 2T of space :eek:
    (I can't believe how fast I filled up that first T, but that's another story :p).


    So, I was going to try the 'clean environment' install with the first drive, but there wasn't a convenient 'no recordings scheduled' spot the next day, so I just said fugghedabowdit and boxed it and sent it back to Amazon. Weird side note, Amazon was out of stock, and didn't expect to be back in stock for another 1-2 mos :eek:. Anyway, I just returned for a refund, rather than replacement, and had, um, I think Beach Camera, or Beach Audio, or something like that, send it. Same price etc.

    New drive arrived yesterday, I installed it this am. It wasn't without a hitch tho. First time through, I got to the 'Powering Up', then 'Just a few more minutes'. Everything looked like it was going fine, so I went to get coffee and came back, and the TiVo was powered off. No lights, no nothing.

    Okay, so I make sure everybody's solidly plugged in, TiVo comes back on, goes through it's thing, all seems great. It completely booted up, recognized that there was a new drive attached, requested to format it to work with TiVo, I say sure - thumb thumb thumb enter. It does its thing .... then goes to gray screen.

    *scratched head*

    Unplugged the TiVo power from the back of the unit, plugged it back in after 15 seconds or so, it powered up, and that was it. All was finally fine.

    Are these things usually so finicky?



    I'm so pleased with all the new space though :D. Acres of space !!! :D:D
     
  4. Oct 13, 2010 #6684 of 10248
    richsadams

    richsadams Active Member

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    Congrats on all of that extra "real estate"! Although it never happened to me, I've seen that gray screen thing reported clear back to the original Series3 eSATA hack several years ago...so although annoying I guess I wouldn't worry about it.

    Enjoy!
     
  5. Oct 14, 2010 #6685 of 10248
    kenstir

    kenstir New Member

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    This FAQ was so helpful I felt I had to contribute. Everything seemed right on the money about upgrading my Tivo HD with the WD10EVDS drive except:

    1. The supplied ISO containing WDIDLE3 did not boot on my computer. I got WDIDLE directly from WD (google "wdidle3") and built my own ISO from the Ultimate Boot CD following the guide at (google "Fix TLER setting on WD Desktop") and replacing WDTLER with WDIDLE3.

    2. "WDIDLE3 /D" disables intellipark altogether.

    3. Be patient during a soft reboot. After all this work my Tivo went to static for 100 seconds before displaying any video, and I thought it hung. While I was pouting the Tivo came up fine.

    Thanks and regards,
    Kenstir
     
  6. Oct 14, 2010 #6686 of 10248
    wisny

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    I will ! tyvm, and ty again! vm for your help steering me through it. VERY much appreciated :)
     
  7. Oct 14, 2010 #6687 of 10248
    richsadams

    richsadams Active Member

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    My pleasure!
     
  8. Oct 15, 2010 #6688 of 10248
    valkyriesound

    valkyriesound New Member

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    Wow..this is a long thread. You guys are great!

    Quick questions-
    I'm having a problem with my Tivo HD recording partial recordings-randomly
    The Tivo during live tv also glitches and freezes on channels
    The Tivo will still take commands- when I change channels and go back the program is fine again

    Is this a symptom of a failing HD?
    I have the original Tivo HD and a WD fully supported expander.

    I can't tell which one might be failing... so I:
    1. Will get stuck replacing both, yes?
    2. Will loose all my recordings, correct?
    3. Can I replace the internal Tivo drive a use the official expander? (assuming the problem is internal) or would I have to use something else because I loose plug and play when the internal drive is replaced? I'm confused on this point.
    4. Can I install anything larger than 1tb internally?

    Thanks!
     
  9. Oct 15, 2010 #6689 of 10248
    valkyriesound

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    OK.. found most of my questions...

    But I'm still unclear:
    1. Can I use my original expander in a replacement of the internal drive situation with PLUG and Play working?
    2. Can I use WINMFS to copy the recordings off of my INTERNAL and EXTERNAL Expander (one at a time) to preserve all my recordings? I doubt there is much on the internal drive and most recordings are probably span BOTH drives currently. Saving my recordings would be great.

    Thanks for your help.
     
  10. Oct 15, 2010 #6690 of 10248
    A J Ricaud

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    It appears I have a failing H.D. on a S3. It re-booted twice while my wife was watching a recording. I ran KS54--failed the extended SMART test with an error 7.

    I also ran the tests on hda, which passed, and hdb and hdc. It said hdb could not be accessed or didn't exist and no hdc. Can someone fill me in on what these mean?

    The S3 has an external drive attached. I suppose that you have to run the manufacturer's diagnostics to see if that is the culprit, right?
     
  11. Oct 15, 2010 #6691 of 10248
    richsadams

    richsadams Active Member

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    Unfortunately it sounds like a failing hard drive, and the most likely candidate is your WD My DVR Expander. Have a look here to see if some of the suggestions help...

    http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?p=7553444#post7553444

    You could also try running a couple of TiVo's built-in diagnostic and repair programs called "Kickstarts". Here's a link and a recommend order in which to try each one...

    http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showpost.php?p=5643823&postcount=2

    To answer your questions...

    1. If you upgrade the internal hard drive you lose the plug and play ability to add an external drive, however if you follow the directions in the FAQ of this sticky (first post) you can "marry" them using winMFS...it involves connecting both drives to a PC at the same time.
    2. Your basic question is can I save my recordings? Yes, if they aren't copy protected you can transfer them (via TiVo Desktop or KMTTG, etc.) to your computer and subsequently back to your "new" TiVo after an upgrade. Recordings are striped across both the internal and external drive, so there aren't any recordings on one or the other, the exception being recordings made prior to connecting the expansion drive. The next logical question is can I combine recordings on the two drives onto a single, new drive and unfortunately the answer is no.

    That's probably not what you wanted to hear but hope that helps and best of luck!
     
  12. Oct 15, 2010 #6692 of 10248
    richsadams

    richsadams Active Member

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    See my answer to the valkyriesound's post above...looks like you're probably both in the same boat...but misery loves company right? :eek:

    Best of luck!
     
  13. Oct 15, 2010 #6693 of 10248
    A J Ricaud

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    Hacienda...
    Thanks, richadams, I re-ran KS54. " hdc" checked out OK. I ordered a WD10EARS from Dell and will be using WinMFS after moving some stuff and divorcing the ext. drive.
    This is the second S3 HD replacement for me. Can't complain too much though, I have 4 originals.
     
  14. Oct 16, 2010 #6694 of 10248
    valkyriesound

    valkyriesound New Member

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    Hey.. thanks for the help.

    Big question- I see a method for copying the recordings to the new drive with winMFS for the internal drive. What I'm wondering is if this can be done for the external drive? Otherwise I can copy off just the settings but I'll loose all recordings...

    I can't use the Tivo transfer method to save my recordings because stupid Time Warner has copy protection flags on EVERYTHING!

    Thanks
     
  15. Oct 16, 2010 #6695 of 10248
    richsadams

    richsadams Active Member

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    Glad to help. Have another look at my answer to your #2 question above. There are no "internal" or "external" recordings. All recordings are spread across both drives. So the short answer is still an unfortunate no to the first part of your big question and yes to the second part.

    Read the FAQ carefully and follow the upgrade instructions to the letter and you'll do fine.

    Understood about the copy flag issue...very frustrating. However keep in mind that you can transfer any broadcast channel recordings (NBC, ABC, CBS, etc.) as those channels cannot be copy protected.

    Happy upgrading!
     
  16. Oct 16, 2010 #6696 of 10248
    richsadams

    richsadams Active Member

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    Sad, but hard drives don't last forever, although it looks like some you have are doing quite well.

    Happy upgrading...again!
     
  17. Oct 16, 2010 #6697 of 10248
    tcfcameron

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    With a TiVo HD, with a 2TB drive already in-place, and filled up, can you "marry" another 2TB drive, and not lose the recordings on the in-place drive?

    I'd be using an identical drive, and fitting it inside the case, using the eSATA header on the mainboard, like others have done.

    I know this has probably been asked and answered somewhere in this huge thread. But I'd prefer a "fresh" answer.

    Even if I can't save my recordings, is it possible to make a 4TB (2TBx2) TiVo HD and not run into problems? I seem to recall that some vendors used to offer this, and then suddenly didn't...
     
  18. Oct 16, 2010 #6698 of 10248
    seeker2003

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    I just tried to upgrade my Tivo HD with a new Hitachi 1TB harddrive. I connected both the Tivo and new harddriveto my desktop (Windows 7). I thought something was wrong b/c my computer wouldn't recognize the drives in explorer or by MFS. So, I went into Disk Management and assigned them a drive letter (did not format). MFS still did not recognize the drives, so I ran MFS as an administrator - now it's recognized. However, when I tried to backup the Tivo drive, it says that it's not a Tivo drive. I plugged the drive back into my Tivo and now I just get a gray blank screen.

    After googling my issue, I found a post that said DO NOT use disk management on windows to recognize the drive. Am I SOL now or is there a way to fix my original Tivo drive? TIA.
     
  19. Oct 16, 2010 #6699 of 10248
    ThAbtO

    ThAbtO TiVoholic by the bay

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    Are you using WinMFS, if so, use fix bootpage.
     
  20. Oct 16, 2010 #6700 of 10248
    seeker2003

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    Just saw that option! :) Used it and now it's backing up. Such a useful thread. Thanks!
     

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