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Drive Expansion and Drive Upgrade FAQ

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by bkdtv, Oct 19, 2007.

  1. Sep 26, 2010 #6621 of 10248
    ddorbuck

    ddorbuck New Member

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    Hey guys a few questions. My series3 tivo's drive seems to be going. I replaced the stock drive over 3 years ago and the 750 gig I picked up has worked fine until recently. I want to replace it with a 1 tb WD10EVDS which I see others have used here after using the wdidle3 mods. The last time I did the swap on my tivo I used the linux based MFSLive. This time I have a extra pc with vista 64 on it. Would it be faster or better to use WinMFS this time? Since I do these upgrades so in-frequently I would appreciate any input.

    My other question is more of a fact finder, when a drive is going on the tivo is it common to have playback of recorded shows just prematurely end (i.e stop and give the notice to save or delete it).

    Thanks. Doug D
     
  2. Sep 26, 2010 #6622 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Hi Doug…sorry to hear that your TiVo is misbehaving…it happens. IMHO winMFS is a no brainer, especially since you've already upgraded once. It's really a piece of cake as long as you carefully follow the directions on the FAQ. BTW, there's a good chance that if your WD10EVDS was manufactured fairly recently you may not have to use wdidle3.exe to modify the Intellipark feature. IIRC someone posted that they had one manufactured in early July, that they didn't run the program and that the drive booted up from a menu restart w/o any problems.

    AFAIK no one has experienced recordings ending prematurely, at least with respect to a failing hard drive. Did the recordings in question show a full 30, 60 minutes or whatever? The only thing I can think of is that TiVo possibly rebooted during the recording. However it would have had to reboot near the end as normally it would pick up where it left off…splitting the recording into two segments (or possibly more if it continued to reboot). :confused: Is that the only symptom? It certainly could be a failing hard drive, but it could be something else as well.
     
  3. Sep 26, 2010 #6623 of 10248
    ddorbuck

    ddorbuck New Member

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    Rich, Thanks for your response. My tivo started acting up a week ago with the dreaded grey screen on my comcast dual cable card setup. In the past I have had many interesting talks with the comcast folks including some senior tech's about comcast and tivo. I'm going to go out on a limb and say my comcast cable feed is ok to my card (well at least it is today). What I noted the other night was live tv was jumpy with a few seconds of freezing video then it would catch up. Last night we tried watching some recordings from the past monday through thursday of this week of a few tv shows like the csi's ,etc and they would start and some of them would go 15-30 minutes in then it would show a glitch and stop with the standard end of programing tivo message to delete it, save it, etc. Today I pulled the tivo drive out and ran spinrite on it. Spinrite reported a few recovered sectors. After letting spinrite chew on it for about 4 hours I stopped it and returned the drive to the tivo since my family is on their way home and my sunday window of opportunity is closing ;>/ Since spinrite found a few bad sectors I just don't have faith in that drive. I may be just experiencing typical comcast issues this past week with the ruined recordings and interesting live tv artifacts but as of today the signal playback on my tivo seems fine. I wish tivo had some live checkdisk type of utilities that you could run from a maintenance menu to verify the disk while in the unit. Anyway hopefully everything will work out and I should have that new drive in a few days. Thanks for your post. Doug D in CT.
     
  4. Sep 27, 2010 #6624 of 10248
    richsadams

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    My pleasure. It does sound like a hard drive issue. TiVo actually has some built in diagnostic and repair programs called Kickstarts. Although it's probably a good time to replace the drive, have a look here and see what you think...

    http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showpost.php?p=5643823&postcount=2

    Hope that helps a little and let us know how things go.
     
  5. Sep 27, 2010 #6625 of 10248
    wackymann

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    My Series 3 w/750 GB Seagate started acting funny after a few years, so I upgraded it to a 1 TB EVDS late last year. It's still going strong! I used winmfs on my Windows 7 machine and carefully followed the FAQ. I didn't have any spare power connections on my PC's supply, so I used a couple of Rosewill external USB drive bays. It was a lot slower than if I had used the SATA connection, but it all went fine. I personally think it's prudent to replace the drive every few years as routine maintenance, especially now that they are so cheap. I paid over $400 for the 750 GB drive back in 2006 LOL
     
  6. Sep 28, 2010 #6626 of 10248
    CaseyK24

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    I got mine from buy.com.

    Casey
     
  7. Sep 29, 2010 #6627 of 10248
    harry99

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    Just a note on upgrading my Tivo HD. Before finally discovering that my pixellation/freezing problems were solved by removing the My DVR Expander, I purchased a Premiere upgrade. I am having rebooting problems with the Premiere, but that is a different story.

    I did successfully install a 1TB Hitachi Deskstar 31000 this morning, using the great instructions in the upgrade forum. I bought the drive (mfg. date was 09/2009) from Amazon (sent from CompUSA) for $69.99 plus $5.39 shipping. I also ordered a Stanley Torx set and Sabrent USB to SATA/IDE adapter ($10.68 and $19.99 from Amazon). Used WinMFS Beta 9.3 to backup and restore. I had removed all recordings, favorites, etc. Took just under 7 minutes to backup, and 2 min. 20 sec. to restore. Did supersize, downloaded Hddscan and ran AAM. Total time for all that including downloading, registering, etc. was under an hour. Only issue I had was that I didn't attach power to the drive the first time - in the WinMFS pictures, it tells you what adapter to use for Tivo HD - only shows the adapter, not the power - obviously someone who knows more would not have made that mistake.

    Anyway, it all worked great, and I am ordering another Hitachi drive for my other Tivo HD.

    Now, on to getting my Premiere to work.

    Thanks for all your help.
     
  8. Sep 29, 2010 #6628 of 10248
    angs9

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    I saw a WD10EARS come up for a good price, and once I got over the fear of Intellipark and Advanced Format I ordered it. I just booted FreeDOS and set the intellipark timeout to 300 per the instructions at the first page of this thread. But I noticed wdidle3.exe also had the ability to disable Intellipark entirely. Is there any reason not to just do that?

    Thanks
     
  9. Sep 29, 2010 #6629 of 10248
    ThreeSoFar

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    If I remember right, it's fine to try it. It may not work on every drive, and if it does not report success, I would repeat the 300 setting you'd already confirmed works.

    It may also be that different versions of the wdidle3.exe program vary in this, some may disable it, some may not.
     
  10. Sep 30, 2010 #6630 of 10248
    rethinking

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    Sorry if this doesn't belong here, but..... I just got a wd dvr expander (WDG1S10000N) for my tivo HD. I also have a cox tuning adapter and tivo wireless network adapter. I got the expander to set up pretty easily, but now I find that I can only get one usb port on my tivo to recognize a device. They were both working before the install, but now the top port will not recognize whatever I plug in. I have tried rebooting in various orders and still nothing from the top usb port. I have also tried switching adapters and chords and still the top one will not respond. Any thoughts?
     
  11. Sep 30, 2010 #6631 of 10248
    richsadams

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    It dosen't seem likely that one (attaching the eSATA drive) would have anything to do with the other (USB port becoming inactive), but you never know I suppose.

    I would try divorcing the drive and see if things return to normal. Be aware that any recordings made since the drive was attached will be lost though. Be sure to follow the proper divorce procedures (found on the TiVo website). If that doesn't work I'd give TiVo a call.

    Maybe someone else will have a solution...whatever the case let us know how things turn out. AFAIK that's a new one! :confused:
     
  12. Sep 30, 2010 #6632 of 10248
    V7Goose

    V7Goose OTA ONLY and Loving It!

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    The reason I say this might be normal is a surprise I found on my Asus O!Play media player - this little box has both a USB and eSATA drive interface, the the eSATA port ALSO functions as a second USB port. I had never seen this before, but I tested it and it does work for either eSATA or USB drives.

    So it seems possible that one of the USB ports on the TiVo box could be physically connected to the eSATA port. I guess I'll go test my HD unit by moving the wireless adapter to the other port . . .
     
  13. Sep 30, 2010 #6633 of 10248
    V7Goose

    V7Goose OTA ONLY and Loving It!

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    Interesting, my HD unit with a WD expander shows the same behavior! The wireless adapter has always been in the bottom USB slot and works fine. I just moved it to the top one and no workie. Very interesting.

    Makes me begin to wonder if the HD would actually work with a USB drive in the top slot instead of requiring the eSATA drive??? I'd sure try it, just out of curiosity, if I didn't have to divorce my current expander first.
     
  14. Sep 30, 2010 #6634 of 10248
    A J Ricaud

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    I just upgraded an S3 with a WD10EVDS. I couldn't get the first drive I got from Amazon to work. It had a build date of May, 2010. I ran WD's diagnostics, which it quickly failed-- "too many bad sectors". The replacement came today with a Sept. 1, 2010 build date. It would not boot completely so I ran wdidle on it. Success! It also boots fine after a soft reboot.
     
  15. Oct 1, 2010 #6635 of 10248
    scottopus

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    I got my 1 TB WD10EARS from Dell today. It has manufacturing date of August 6, 2010 which is the last Friday of the first week :rolleyes:

    I don't have a desktop so I"m going to use my friends computer next week to do the cloning. I'm just going to do the Intellipark patch to be sure.

    With all the information on this thread, I don't foresee having any issues.
     
  16. Oct 2, 2010 #6636 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Interesting…so a WD10EVDS built on Sept. 1st wouldn't boot at all w/o disabling the Intellipark feature. :confused: IIRC the same drive with a build date back in July didn't need Intellipark tweaked at all. So far it seems it's just about impossible to make any clear declarations about which WD drive will and won't work without the adjustment. :(
     
  17. Oct 2, 2010 #6637 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Sounds like you're on the right track…s/b a piece of cake. :up:
     
  18. Oct 2, 2010 #6638 of 10248
    dgs2000

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    Forum newbie here. I have to thank everyone who contributes to this forum- this is an amazing resource and made upgrading so easy.

    Count me as a successful WD10EVDS upgrade without messing with wdidle/Intellipark adjustments. My WD10EVDS build date was August 4th 2010 and I tested a soft reboot with no issues.
     
  19. Oct 2, 2010 #6639 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Welcome! Thanks very much for the data point…the Intellipark issue seems to be hit and miss at the moment but it's nice that you didn't have to fool around with the additional work to disable it. :up:

    Enjoy your "new" TiVo!
     
  20. Oct 2, 2010 #6640 of 10248
    ehardman

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    Just got my Dell WD10EVDS and it has a Aug. 10 date. Will do the install tomorrow.

    edit: Turns out I got a WD10EARS.
     

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