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Drive Expansion and Drive Upgrade FAQ

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by bkdtv, Oct 19, 2007.

  1. Sep 21, 2010 #6561 of 10248
    CaseyK24

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    You can mark in one more successful August 24th 2010 WD10EVDS upgrade. No wdidle needed - soft reboot works fine. (Bought from Buy.com so they have the latest it seems - East coast if there are different shipping centers).

    I did notice one thing about SuperSizing the drive though. When the remote restore was complete it did ask if I wanted to expand the drive - I picked "yes". It said it was set so I put back in the Tivo and I only had 141 HD hours listed. So I hooked it back up to the computer and explicitly selected Tools->MfsSuperSize->On. This explicit step worked as now I have 157 HD hours listed. So I would recommend - even if you pick yes to expand the drive - also go through the menu for the MfsSuperSize to be safe.

    Casey
     
  2. Sep 21, 2010 #6562 of 10248
    CaseyK24

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    Also you mentioned the 1 July date didn't work but the reason I went ahead and got the WD10EVDS in the first place was because of a successful July date story in here as follows:

    Originally Posted by S3-2501 View Post
    A relative of mine was getting worried that her DVR expander would be failing soon, so I offered to help her upgrade her internal drive. She got a WD10EVDS from Amazon, manufactured on 7/26/10. After divorcing her expander, copying her old drive to the WD10EVDS, expanding, supersizing,etc. it booted up fine, and passed a soft menu reboot as well. Her original drive had the latest software, 11.0h
     
  3. Sep 21, 2010 #6563 of 10248
    Robbdoe1

    Robbdoe1 Tivo Obsessed

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    Thanks for the feedback. Glad you are running :up:.

    I think expanding the drive and supersize are 2 different things. I expanded when it asked me and before I removed the drive I supersized and had the 157 hours.

    Robb
     
  4. Sep 21, 2010 #6564 of 10248
    tcfcameron

    tcfcameron (4) 2TB TiVo HDs

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    What is the proper "swap" size to enter into WinMFS when using the "Broflovski" image with a 2TB hard drive?

    WinMFS does not try to calculate for you, it just defaults to 128MB.

    I've been using the "Take the size in GB, divide by 2, then convert to MB" calculation, which comes out to 1024MB. This is for my TiVo HDs.

    This gives me 318 hours maximum of HD capacity (but I see other who are upgrading to 2TB that are saying they get 319).

    I've been having problems with KickStart commands, suck as KS57 / 58, putting my TiVos into the GSOD "death loop", and I have had to re-image two, out of four TiVos because of this.

    I'm using WD20EADS drives, w/IntelliPark & AAM disabled.

    I have also started a new thread asking the same, as I have a feeling that the answers I hear will likely vary. I'm expecting to hear: "Leave it at the default", "That's too big, but the default is too small", and probably a whole slew of opinions and personal experiences. I welcome any input that may lead to a consensus on the correct size.

    http://tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?t=456053
     
  5. Sep 21, 2010 #6565 of 10248
    cr33p

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    I have never changed it on any machine I own or sold, including the brolovski image
     
  6. Sep 21, 2010 #6566 of 10248
    tcfcameron

    tcfcameron (4) 2TB TiVo HDs

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    A year ago, when mine were still stock, I got the GSOD "death loop" on two within days of each other.

    I spent a week researching, and the most consistent information I could come up with, at that time, was that:

    1. I couldn't actually recover from the situation (without buying Instant Cake, and also losing all data).

    2. That TiVo used too small of a swap file/partition, which caused the TiVo to run out of memory, so it couldn't repair some data integrity problems, and thus would wind up in the GSOD loop.

    I really haven't seen anything since then that contradicts these two points, except that if you keep an image backup around, IC becomes irrelevant.
     
  7. Sep 21, 2010 #6567 of 10248
    TiVo Bob W

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    After many failed attempts and getting nowhere over on MFSLive.org I am requesting that the above be removed from the FAQ. I have tried multiple ways to accomplish the above and have yet find anyone that has succeeded.

    Thanks, Bob

    PS - If spike2k5 would like to chime in I'm listening...
     
  8. Sep 21, 2010 #6568 of 10248
    richsadams

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    That sounds frustrating. I haven't ever tried it but IIRC some folks did that successfully however it's been a long time since I read about anyone trying it.

    So based on your signature you have an un-modded/stock TiVo Series3 and a "non-approved" eSATA drive connected to it correct? If non-approved, did you use Kickstart 62 to connect the eSATA drive or did you connect it after the TiVo update that allowed plug and play expansion?

    The reason I ask is that I think when Spike wrote those instructions...brought over by bkdtv, it applied to stock TiVo hard drives (in the case of the Series3 a 250GB drive) and an "unapproved" eSATA drive, something other than the P&P My DVR Expanders. It's my understanding (and I could easily be wrong, but this sticks in my memory for some reason) that any other configuration would not work as the directions suggest.
     
  9. Sep 22, 2010 #6569 of 10248
    blacknoi

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    Just to chime in here, when I was copying my 250GB stock S3 hard drive over to the new 1TB WD drive, it took 7 hours! This was with me forgetting to clear out all the suggestions first as well as the recently deleted folder.

    So essentially, using 2 external USB sata enclosures, copying a full 250GB stock tivo drive takes that long. WinMFS about every 20-25 minutes would give an updated ETA of the time left, but with about 3 hours left, it just went wonky and said something like several THOUSAND hours were left. It still ended in the timeframe that the last accurate "time left" meter had reported.

    The actual progress bar continued to move across the screen slowly, never freezing...although sometimes it took up to 30 minutes to get another "bar" to show up on the screen.
     
  10. Sep 22, 2010 #6570 of 10248
    silypuddy

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    I ended up just doing a restore onto the 1tb drive. I was just trying to save the kid's shows.. which they can live without.. ;)

    Funny thing though, when I looked at the NPL, it had the copied shows. I just deleted them to be safe. Box has been running well.. but I can hear the drive.. debating if I should fix that...

    Now I have a much bigger problem... and that's TiVo related. They changed my channel lineup... problem is that my channels didn't change so ALL my season passes are DOA until they roll back the change. I called it in and was told the standard 3-5 business days. I told him he needs to escalate as all of Minneapolis/St. Paul is affected and no-body's season pass will work.

    Let's see if they listen....
     
  11. Sep 22, 2010 #6571 of 10248
    TiVo Bob W

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    eSATA drive was connect through P & P after TiVo allowed other eDrives. I thought I had researched this enough before I purchased the new drives. I guess not.

    Bob
     
  12. Sep 22, 2010 #6572 of 10248
    richsadams

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    I can see how that could happen very easily. I agree there needs to be some additional clarification.
     
  13. Sep 23, 2010 #6573 of 10248
    wisny

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    Is there a place where backups for dummies FAQ might be located? ;)

    I'm a new TiVo owner, backups of image files and season passes seems like a good idea, but I haven't stumbled across directions for beginners. Just references to how to backup as part of an upgrade.

    Can someone point me in the direction of a backup FAQ for newbies (not part of upgrading)?


    Also, I wish this sticky was an actual forum! So much great info in here, but at over 6k posts, it's not easy to just read through. It'd be so awesome if the sticky was a forum with threads for searching. :up:
     
  14. Sep 23, 2010 #6574 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Welcome! Without pulling the hard drive out of TiVo and connecting it to a computer there isn't a way to backup the image file.

    You can "preserve" your Season Passes by signing up for TiVo's Guru Guides or KidZone. Should you replace/upgrade your hard drive they will be repopulated when TiVo connects to the "Mother Ship". More here:

    http://www.tivo.com/findtvshows/guides/

    BTW this is the forum for discussions about upgrades and expansions, hence the high number of posts. If you're interested in upgrading, everything you need to know is in the very first post. Everything else is simply discussions about details so there's no real need to slog through them all…certainly some are way outdated by now. If you run into any issues or have further questions just ask. There are a lot of great folks here willing to lend a hand anytime.

    FWIW you can use the Search feature in the Forum's toolbar above to do a global search or click on "Search this thread" at the top of any thread to look for something specific within that thread.

    Enjoy your new TiVo!
     
  15. Sep 23, 2010 #6575 of 10248
    wisny

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    Ahhhh! No wonder there's no backups for dummies FAQ then! I did see the instructions that included pulling the drive out, I didn't realize that was the only way.

    Thankyou for all the rest of the info too. :up:
     
  16. Sep 23, 2010 #6576 of 10248
    richsadams

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  17. Sep 23, 2010 #6577 of 10248
    ThAbtO

    ThAbtO TiVoholic by the bay

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    Will the WD Caviar Blue work?
     
  18. Sep 23, 2010 #6578 of 10248
    richsadams

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    It will work, but unless you already own it there wouldn't really be any advantage (at least in a TiVo application) over the WD GP drive. If this is the one you're talking about it's a 7200 RPM drive that runs a bit hotter and is noisier than the WD GP drives…costs more than the one on sale at Dell too. The only advantage might be that it doesn't have the Intellipark feature so there'd be no need to tweak it. I say "might" because the newer WD GP drives (post August 1 or so) no longer have to have the Intellipark feature tweaked.
     
  19. Sep 23, 2010 #6579 of 10248
    scottopus

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    The WD10EARS isn't on your recommended list on the first page. Will this drive work for my TivoHD?
     
  20. Sep 23, 2010 #6580 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Yes, a lot of folks are using it successfully here. The reason the WD GP drives aren't currently listed on the FAQ is due to a manufacturing issue wherein the drive's proprietary Intellipark feature caused TiVo to hang at the "Welcome! Powering up…" screen during a soft reboot (either a menu restart or after a TiVo update). If you read the FAQ you'll note that the drives needed to have Intellipark timeout extended or disabled to avoid the problem, otherwise they worked normally.

    More recently manufactured WD GP drives including the WD10EARS no longer require the Intellipark adjustment to be made; generally it appears those drives manufactured after the first week in August this year or so. That said, it's difficult to say what the drive's manufacture date might be if ordered from Dell or anywhere else. Until all of the older WD GP drives (that required the adjustment) are flushed through the system they shouldn't be included in the recommended drive list.

    The adjustment isn't difficult to do but does require a direct SATA connection (either on the computer's motherboard or using a SATA PCI card) as it won't work with a USB/SATA adapter or dock. More info about that is included in the FAQ.

    So long story longer, it's a roll of the dice finding out if the drive would need a little extra work to avoid the soft reboot issue or not. Otherwise, they work fine for TiVo upgrades.

    For anyone not wanting to wait or fool around with the possible Intellipark adjustment, the Hitachi Deskstar 7K1000.C HD31000 IDK/7K is a good alternative:

    http://bit.ly/5QD8FS
     

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