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Drive Expansion and Drive Upgrade FAQ

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by bkdtv, Oct 19, 2007.

  1. Sep 5, 2010 #6401 of 10248
    CraigK

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    I think the only way is the tedious show by show (but you can do this from the NP list using the Clear key). If you have several episodes of the same show you could try viewing them as folders (groups) and then delete the folders one at a time. That would speed things up.

    Also besides phantom shows in the Now Playing list you may have some in the Recently Deleted folder, too.
     
  2. Sep 5, 2010 #6402 of 10248
    bvm42

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    Ah, that's not nearly as tedious as I feared. I hadn't known you could delete a folder; you prompted me to discover the "Clear" shortcut. Unfortunately, it doesn't work on the Recently Deleted folder, which means that unless I tediously delete every show inside it (which requires confirmation, since it's permanent), I'll have a deceptive number of recently deleted shows for some while.

    By the way, I did manage to get pyTivo's push to work. My problem, I believe, was my password contained a "#", which resulted in the server misparsing the init file.
     
  3. Sep 5, 2010 #6403 of 10248
    CraigK

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    Yes, ideally it's best to get rid of the phantom shows in both lists before you start transferring or recording new shows so you know what's real.

    You'll find you use that Clear key shortcut quite often now.:)
     
  4. Sep 5, 2010 #6404 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Thanks very much for that. :up: It appears that WD GP drives manufactured after August 1 may not need the Intellipark feature disabled. As more reports come in that should get solidified.

    Enjoy!
     
  5. Sep 5, 2010 #6405 of 10248
    testshot

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    Thanks for the guidance - went with it and aside from a painstaking point to hunt down a bad coax connection somewhere up the line from my TiVo which came undone while moving things around behind the wall unit, the external install went fine.

    @ThreeSoFar - Thanks for the guidance as well - agree that replacement of the internal drive would be cheaper and provide less fail points, but wasn't interested in cracking open the unit at the present time.
     
  6. Sep 5, 2010 #6406 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Sounds good and enjoy all of that new "real estate"!
     
  7. Sep 6, 2010 #6407 of 10248
    Zer0

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    Also an update on my upgrade:

    Installed the WD10EVDS and did not disable Intellipark so with the IC version of 9.2a with a soft reboot it hangs at the welcome screen. After it updated to the latest 11.0h no soft reboot issue and it functions perfectly. The drive has a manufactured date of July 2010.
     
  8. Sep 6, 2010 #6408 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Excellent, thanks for that! :up:

    It would seem that combination of 11.0h and more recently manufactured WD drives may have taken care of the Intellipark soft reboot issue.
     
  9. Sep 7, 2010 #6409 of 10248
    Robbdoe1

    Robbdoe1 Tivo Obsessed

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    Hi All,
    I'm having an issue with my S3 rebooting. It is an original S3 that I got from Woot in February. It is a refurb. Here is what I have done so far. I ran KS57 which only took about 30 minutes or so. I ran KS54 SMART test and the drive failed the extended test last night. I then ran the KS54 overnight test and the drive passed this morning. I re-ran the SMART test and the drive passed everything this time.

    Some of the details:
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    I use a Tivo wireless G adapter.
    The unit uses 2 CC's, 1-single and 1-multi

    The unit started to get sluggish this weekend. The menus started populating slowly. Sunday night my wife noticed it reboot in the middle of the night. Monday it rebooted multiple times and was sluggish. I'm considering running KS57 and 58 today. I called Tivo CS last night and they are offering a $49 exchange to another refurb S3 plus shipping 1 way. I never backed the image up as I did not want to break the box and kill the warranty.

    Do you think I can use this image if I pull it or is the image toast? If I can't use the image then the CC's will need to be re-paired with Brighthouse rolling on over. Re-pairing the CC's leads me to another option. I can get a $99 Hd from Block Buster which will be brand new. If I go that route I can then save 1 CC fee too.

    Please give me any thoughts as to what you would do. Please tell me what I'm missing. Any replacement drive suggestions would be great. If I go that route I will get a 1TB to increase space. Dvr_Dude has a pretty good price for a 1TB imaged already. The other 2 guys have options too.

    Help. Thanks in advance and I'm sorry this is so long winded.

    Robb
     
  10. Sep 7, 2010 #6410 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Hi Rob. Sorry to hear about the frustrations with your Series3. Here is what I would do if I were in your shoes. I would take TiVo up on their offer to exchange the unit. I'd run the new one for a good month or so to be sure it was working properly. Then I'd go about upgrading the hard drive.

    The reason I'd take this approach is to be sure whatever is causing your issues is resolved with a replacement. It's almost certainly a hard drive issue, but it's remotely possible it's something else and why take the risk of having more trouble if it is? I know you'll probably incur a truck roll to re-pair the cable cards, but this way you'll know everything is solid. (It's also possible that your cableco might let you call in the cable card info - Host ID, SN, etc. - so you might be able to avoid any additional charges.)

    FWIW if KS57 took more than a few minutes it means that there were data corruption issues it tried to resolve. There are no guarantees that it did and based on your post, it doesn't sound like it was able to. KS58 may or may not help as well, but it's worth a try. SMART diagnostics (KS54) are not always reliable either.

    If your TiVo starts and runs semi-normally the boot partition isn't a problem and you should be able to use the OEM drive to image a new one if you decide to go ahead and upgrade the internal hard drive now.

    If you do go the DIY route (reasonably easy), with respect to hard drives, most folks are now using Western Digital's WD10EARS or WD10EVDS or WD10EVCS. The "EV" series is A/V dedicated and usually more expensive than the "EARS" series. Although the "EARS" is the same drive with respect to TiVo the Auto Acoustic Management (AAM) would probably need to be adjusted to 128 to make it quieter (also fairly easy). It's also possible that you would have to adjust the Intellipark feature to prevent the soft reboot issue these drives have...although more recent reports indicate that it may not be necessary for more recently manufactured WD drives. Adjusting the Intellipark feature is a tiny bit more complicated and requires a computer with an available SATA port (can't be done via USB/SATA adapter).

    Another alternative drive is the Hitachi Deskstar 7K1000.C HD31000 IDK/7K. Again, although these drives are very quiet out of the box, the AAM setting would probably need to be set to 128 to make it even quieter. (No Intellipark adjustments.)

    Or you could go with a pre-imaged replacement drive from DVRDude, Weaknees, DVRUpgrade, etc.

    If you're going to get a replacement TiVo I would wait on ordering a new hard drive until you're ready to go to see if anything changes in the meantime. (If you go with a WD GP drive it would also help to ensure you're getting one manufactured more recently.)

    Hope that helps and all of the upgrade info you need can be found in the first post:

    http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?p=5616160#post5616160
     
  11. Sep 7, 2010 #6411 of 10248
    Robbdoe1

    Robbdoe1 Tivo Obsessed

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    Rich,
    Thanks for the quick and detailed reply. I kinda agree with you on the Tivo exchange or possibly switching it to an HD from Block Buster. I'm leaning with the HD cause it is "new" and not another refurb. My wife also likes the new idea since this is messing with her TV time :eek:.

    Tivo exchange will cost $49 plus say $20 shipping equals $69 give or take.
    BB HD costs $99 plus $6 tax equals $105.
    So for roughly $35 we go from refurb to new and 2 CC's to 1.

    I'm still seeing issues today. Mostly non responsive on live TV. I pulled out the CC's just to check that out.

    If I go the HD route, I can use the M card I have for both tuners right?

    I'm still on the fence with regard to how stable the image is on this thing.

    Sorry I'm all over the place. Thanks for the help.
    Robb
     
  12. Sep 7, 2010 #6412 of 10248
    richsadams

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    That sounds like a more than reasonable way to go.

    Yes, the TiVo HD would only need the one "M" (multi-stream) cable card.

    If you grab one of the TiVo HD's you'd probably want to upgrade the internal hard drive eventually as they are pretty small (160GB) as compared to the Series3's 250GB. $99 is a good deal for the TiVo HD though and for about $50 you can get a 1TB drive on sale these days.

    BTW, there's really no reason that you couldn't keep the Series3, upgrade it sometime and sell it on ebay and maybe even come out ahead. IIRC the S3's are still in a little more demand than the TiVo HD/HDXL's.

    Transferring your service from your existing TiVo to a new one is very easy to do on line or you can call in as well.

    Let us know what you end up doing!
     
  13. Sep 7, 2010 #6413 of 10248
    Robbdoe1

    Robbdoe1 Tivo Obsessed

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    I have about 6 months left on an annual sub. If I buy a new HD I can transfer the TSN and still use the remaining balance?

    CC's out made no diff.

    Robb
     
  14. Sep 7, 2010 #6414 of 10248
    richsadams

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    I believe you can transfer your annual sub...if they give you any static I'd make sure they understand what you're up to...it's in their best interest.

    The only other thing to try would be to disconnect everything (coax, broadband, etc.) except your TV and plug TiVo directly into a wall outlet (it's not a good idea to use a surge protector w/TiVo anyway...best to use a UPS) and see how it goes. Even if that makes things better it's still likely the hard drive.
     
  15. Sep 7, 2010 #6415 of 10248
    dlfl

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    Yes you can do this -- should be no problem at all, just do it in your account on the TiVo website. When I bought my HD I switched from an S2DT and then immediately switched back for a few days while I returned the HD to Amazon for exchange. You may have to wait an hour or so for the change to take effect.
     
  16. Sep 7, 2010 #6416 of 10248
    Robbdoe1

    Robbdoe1 Tivo Obsessed

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    I spoke with a CS tonight and he confirmed what you both said. I can use the balance of my annual contract on a replacement weather I get it from them or Block Buster.

    I went with the Tivo refurb exchange. The CS threw in free shipping both ways for my trouble.

    Rich, your comment on hard drive size of the HD vs the S3 sealed the deal. Once I get it all set up and confirm it is working correctly I will pull the drive and back up the image this time.

    Thanks for all the help guy's. I appreciate everything.

    Robb
     
  17. Sep 8, 2010 #6417 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Sounds good!
     
  18. Sep 9, 2010 #6418 of 10248
    mphtrilogy

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    Rich,

    Question:
    I have two Tivo HD's.

    Is it possible to take out the Hard Drive from one Tivo HD and add it to the other? Is there anything special that needs to be formatted or can it be installed cold?
     
  19. Sep 9, 2010 #6419 of 10248
    DinoBambino

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    Rich,

    Last night I upgraded a TivoHD with a WD10EARS drive. I decided to do the upgrade without running wdidle to disable the Intellipark feature since the drive was manufactured on 8/3/2010. After running a few tests (recording a show, connecting to Tivo, etc.), I did a soft reboot and was hung up on the "Welcome ..." screen. So, it seems like wdidle still needs to be run with the EARS drives.

    Thanks,
    Dean
     
  20. Sep 9, 2010 #6420 of 10248
    bmgoodman

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    Did your Tivo HD have the latest software installed already? Or was this a new unit? I ask because I thought the soft reboot problem also required the latest Tivo software.
     

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