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Drive Expansion and Drive Upgrade FAQ

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by bkdtv, Oct 19, 2007.

  1. Sep 3, 2010 #6381 of 10248
    delgadobb

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    Nothing.

    You've been a huge help to a lot of people on this forum (myself included) & always keep things positive. That's payment enough! ;)

    Give yourself a well-deserved pat on the back. Thanks, Rich.
     
  2. Sep 3, 2010 #6382 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Well, I appreciate the too kind words. It's just a labor of love...giving back to the place that's home to many, many folks that have helped me over the years. And it's generally a nice place to hang out. :up:

    How 'bout if I just say ah shucks and kick my instep a little? :)
     
  3. Sep 3, 2010 #6383 of 10248
    Zer0

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    Hey guys quick question:

    Is it possible to re-image the original TiVo HD (160GB) drive?

    Reason I ask is because my original drive took a hit from a power surge and after taking it out of the TiVo and looking up its SMART stats, it said it had 31 pending bad sectors and 14 sectors failed to reallocate the data. This resulted in the corruption of the TiVo OS. I didn't want to completely give up on the original drive so I ran the WD advanced diagnostics on it and it saw corrupted sectors, attempted to repair, but failed. With a corrupted TiVo OS at this point my only option was to pickup InstantCake to repair that. As for the drive, I decided I'd try using the WD tool to write 0s on it and clear it off to see if I might repair it myself. Lucky for me, after clearing off the drive and re-testing it, it passed WD's advanced tests! I also checked its SMART stats and it no longer had 31 pending bad sectors and still 0 actual bad sectors (the 14 sectors failed data reallocation event was still left in the drive's SMART history though but that's not an issue after it being completely wiped). And so here I am with a clean working original drive but seem to be unable to put the TiVo OS back onto it as InstantCake told me that it was too small...any way around that?
     
  4. Sep 3, 2010 #6384 of 10248
    richsadams

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    It's not possible to use IC to image an original drive directly. Here's how a TCF member got around it in a way...

    http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?p=8114689#post8114689

    I guess my take would be that it's really not worth it. Although the drive may have passed the SMART and WD diagnostics, there's really no guarantee that there aren't still problems, in other words, the results have been known to be wrong. The extended read/write/read diagnostic can be more precise however there's still a margin of error. Plus a power surge could have easily caused other physical problems to the drive that may not be readily apparent at the moment.

    That said, a used 160GB HDD can be found on ebay for 10 or 15 bucks and a brand new drive would cost a little more. In any case, I just wouldn't waste any more time and donate it to the local recycle facility if it were me.

    If you have an operational drive you can use winMFS to create a truncated backup and you can keep that on your computer or a thumb drive or whatever for safe keeping until the time comes that you need it again.
     
  5. Sep 3, 2010 #6385 of 10248
    miller890

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    If there is any question on WD15EVDS drives, I just wanted to report I have successfully replaced the OEM drives on two TiVo Series-3 and one TiVo-HD with Western Digital's 1.5TB DVR drive WD15EVDS with 3/yr warranty. Drives were dated Nov2009 and Feb2010 from Amazon (only pre-Nov2009 were reported as working causing them to be removed from the list of drives on page-1 here). I used the "wdidle3 /S300" fix for WD-Intellipark reboot issue. Then WinMFS v3.9f with Windows7/64-bit to do two truncated backup/restore upgrades and one WinMFS:mfscopy to save the recordings. I used both direct SATA and USB-to-SATA methods. I followed each with an WinMFS:mfsadd and WinMFS:mfsupersize to regain space. All three drives resulted in 237hrs of H-D space; I expected TiVo-HD would be less. The one problem I had was with the first Series-3 had a failing drive, it errored out on the WinMFS:recovery, and I attempted a dd-rescue that didn't work. To recover I used Instant Cake to a spare 1TB drive because of the 1TB limitation, then a WinMFS backup and recovery to the new 1.5TB; here I lost the CableCard pairings. They all seem to run as quiet or quieter than the old-OEM drives. The goal was to fix the one failed drive, eliminate all external drives, avoid using a modified kernel, and go with the largest internal drive with some waste.
     
  6. Sep 3, 2010 #6386 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Wow! :eek: Nice brain dump! :D Thanks for all of the valuable info...it's very worthwhile.

    FWIW if it ever happens again, you can use the image from one Series3 to image a new drive in another one. You'd get an initial error but if you run Clear and Delete Everything it works like a charm.

    Thanks again...nice work! :up:
     
  7. Sep 3, 2010 #6387 of 10248
    bareyb

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    Wow. Nice WOT. Ever heard of a paragraph? :D
     
  8. Sep 3, 2010 #6388 of 10248
    bareyb

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    I have two series 3's here. If my second one died, I could use the disk image from the first one (which I have) to format the second one? Wouldn't it have identical cable card pairing information as the original or would all of that be fixed with the clear and delete since the cable cards in the second one would be different?

    The reason I ask is that I've been meaning to pull the drive out of "TiVo 2" and make disc image from it just in case it ever dies. I already have the disc image for "TiVo 1" from when I upgraded the drive. Am I understanding correctly that there is no need for me to make a disc image for my second Tivo after all? I can just use the image from TiVo 1 that I already have?
     
  9. Sep 3, 2010 #6389 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Hi Barey. The best thing to do of course would be to use the original image...that way all of the info, cable card pairing, etc. is saved. But you can use a like-for-like image. C&DE will wipe all of the saved info so you'd need to treat the recipient like a new TiVo, but it works. It's only an "emergency" measure though...useful when an original hard drive of the same model is suddenly pushing up daisies and refuses to work any longer.

    So your plan is still a solid one, keep a truncated backup of each specific TiVo.
     
  10. Sep 3, 2010 #6390 of 10248
    bareyb

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    Cool. Thanks Rich. I really need to get on that and do it, but it's good to know there's an alternative if I procrastinate too long. ;)
     
  11. Sep 3, 2010 #6391 of 10248
    mgibpb

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    I upgraded my S3 to 500GB 2+ years ago and recently decided to go 1TB. Bought a 1TB WD10EARS. I used Winmfs but started with the upgraded 500GB drive instead of the original 250GB drive because I want to preserve the existing video files. The process went smoothly but Tivo would not come up with the upgraded drive (stayed in the welcome powering up page). Tried it again without copying the data, no go.
    I repeated the process using the original drive but same result. Can anyone help? Thanks.
     
  12. Sep 4, 2010 #6392 of 10248
    Zer0

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    Thanks for responding Rich. I found a way around it by using IC on a borrowed 1TB drive and then using WinMFS to create a backup and restore that backup onto the original WD1600AVBS. It was good to see WinMFS creating partition sizes according to the different drive size. The TiVo HD did reboot and then display a GSOD as it said it was fixing the drive for about 10 minutes. Afterward, the unit has booted normally and everything seems to be working. I picked up a WD10EVDS that I'll use to permanently upgrade it to 1TB while I'm at it, but it's good to have the original WD1600AVBS drive working with the TiVo OS back on it as a backup. Overall, not too bad for having a corrupt drive and restoring it from scratch thanks to IC and WinMFS.
     
  13. Sep 4, 2010 #6393 of 10248
    richsadams

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    If you followed all of the steps exactly and still couldn't get things going even with the original TiVo drive, it sounds to me like your new drive is probably the problem.

    IIRC there have been a few posts noting that their WD10EARS drive would not boot up until the Intelipark feature was disabled or the timeout was extended (using wdidle3.exe). Did you do that yet? If not all of the instructions are in the FAQ.

    It's also possible that you have a bad drive, but if it worked normally with winMFS it sounds like it's probably okay.
     
  14. Sep 4, 2010 #6394 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Glad to hear that you were able to sort things out. Enjoy your "new" TiVo!
     
  15. Sep 4, 2010 #6395 of 10248
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    Hi, newbie here - just got an HDTV a few weeks back and decided to go the external expander route for my TiVo. Ordered the newer WDBABT0010HBK Western Digital Expander drive as in a brain fart thought that I had a Series3. Alas, I have a TiVo HD with the stock drive (purch in June 2009 with lifetime).

    Before I send this back to Amazon to get the older external drive, has anyone had experience getting this newer drive to work with a TiVo HD? Yes, I do have a replacement eSata cord to go with the new drive.
     
  16. Sep 4, 2010 #6396 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Welcome to the forum! That drive will work fine with your TiVo HD. You can read various posts on Amazon and other sites saying as much and how much the owners like it. (There is one erroneous early post on Amazon saying that it didn't work but it's almost certain the OP had a faulty cable or bad drive).

    Enjoy!
     
  17. Sep 4, 2010 #6397 of 10248
    ThreeSoFar

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    It'll work fine as far as external drives go....but (by design) it's a second point of failure and extra heat/power being generated/used. And once it or the internal drive fails, you'll lose ALL shows on your TiVo.

    Consider instead upgrading the internal drive to a larger one. Very easy to do. Probably cheaper, too.
     
  18. Sep 4, 2010 #6398 of 10248
    mgibpb

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    Disabling the Intelipark did the trick.:up: Thanks a lot. :)
     
  19. Sep 4, 2010 #6399 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Very cool! Thanks for posting your results and enjoy!
     
  20. Sep 4, 2010 #6400 of 10248
    bvm42

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    Here's another data point for you. I upgraded my HD XL's 1TB disk to the 2TB WD20EVDS. I didn't do anything about Intellipark, and it seems to soft reboot okay. Drive manufacture date: 4 Aug 2010. Thanks to all the experts here for the instructions.

    Question, though: since my old drive had bad sectors, and got hung up doing mfscopy, I ended up doing the "Preserves Settings Only" upgrade. I was surprised to find my new disk has my old Now Playing list. Is this expected? I didn't see mention of it in the instructions. Of course, none of the recordings is there. Is there a simple way to delete all these bogus directory entries, or do I have to do it in the obvious, tedious way of show by show?

    Meanwhile, I did manage to back up a significant portion of the old drive's shows to my PC, and now I want to move them back to the new drive. I can certainly pull them one by one from the Tivo desktop, which is of course pretty tedious. Are there better options? I tried running pyTivo, but I haven't managed to get its Push to work.
     

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