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Drive Expansion and Drive Upgrade FAQ

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by bkdtv, Oct 19, 2007.

  1. Dec 22, 2007 #621 of 10316
    richsadams

    richsadams Active Member

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    Frist of all, welcome to the fourm. :up:

    That's a fine drive and the best enclosure solution. However I hate to be the Grinch, but if you'd read the very first post on this thread (see #4), you'd find that the only drive that will work via P&P with the TiVo HD is the TiVo "approved device"; the WD My DVR Expander.

    If you want to use anything other than that as an expansion device you'll need to remove and format the internal HDD. Information on how to do that is also in the first post. It’s fairly simple if you’re comfortable with connecting both drives to your P.C. and doing a little work.

    IMHO if you’re going to remove the internal drive, you might as well upgrade/replace it with your 1TB drive and save the existing drive as a backup (unless you really need the additional bit of space).

    Once it’s done it’ll be a nice Christmas present. ;)
     
  2. Dec 22, 2007 #622 of 10316
    simontiki

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    Thanks Rich, and thanks for welcoming me to the forum. You've quickly narrowed down my options, and that's a good thing! Regarding these options...

    1 - Replace existing drive : I only lose 20 HD hours from the original. I understand I'll get about 165 HD with the 1TB drive. In the event I wanted to increase to 2 TB, I still have the enclosure, neatly packed in original box. Get another 1TB that is "approved", drop it in the enclosure, then just plug it in!

    2 - Extend - More work and more "stuff" (enclosure, power cord, etc.).

    Since I have a laptop, I imagine I would have to procure some sort of 2nd enclosure or a SATA->USB cable w/power so I can connect both drives to my laptop via USB to run WinMFS.

    Thanks again!
     
  3. Dec 22, 2007 #623 of 10316
    bkdtv

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    There's a little more to it than that.

    You need to connect the original drive to your PC, run the free WinMFS program and select 'Backup' from the menu. Then you disconnect the original drive, connect the new drive, and select 'Restore' from the menu. That will copy the Tivo software and all of your settings (season passes, etc) to the new hard drive.

    If you want to copy all of your recordings too, then you need to have both drives connected to your computer at once and use the 'Mfscopy' option in WinMFS instead of Backup/Restore. This method is described in steps 1-7 under Section III, #11 of the FAQ.
     
  4. Dec 22, 2007 #624 of 10316
    simontiki

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    Ah, this is promising. So, if I don't need / want my recordings, I could use my enclosure to work with each drive individually? I wouldn't need to connect them at the same time, and wouldn't need to procure a sata->usb adapter w/power.
     
  5. Dec 22, 2007 #625 of 10316
    richsadams

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    Like bkdtv (one of two resident experts - the other being Spike who wrote the WinMFS program) said, there's a bit more to it, but you're on the right road. The process sounds complicated but once you get into it, it's really pretty easy. Removing the HDD and copying it over is the only time consuming part of the process.

    Others here have successfully used a USB/SATA adapter to do what you need to do.

    If you upgrade the internal drive you can still add an eSATA drive in the future but it will require removing the drive and doing a couple of more programming bits to marry the new expansion drive. All of the info is on the MFSLive.org website and there's even more specific info on the MFSLive Forum.

    Best of luck and keep us posted.
     
  6. Dec 22, 2007 #626 of 10316
    simontiki

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    bkdtv / rich - thanks so much for your help.

    Since my HD TiVo is pretty new, and there isn't much of interest on tv right now, I wouldn't be too upset to lose what I have. That way, I wouldn't have to wait to receive the SATA adapter. So I could just use the enclosure to backup the old drive, then restore to the new drive, as bkdtv outlines above. I still might order the stuff from Amazon. (I see me moving to 2tb in the not too distant future, but I'll cross that bridge...)
     
  7. Dec 22, 2007 #627 of 10316
    bkdtv

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    simontiki,

    Since you got the 1Tb Hitachi, you'll probably also want to set its automatic acoustic management (AAM) setting to 128 to minimize seek noise. You can do that using the Hitachi Feature Tool boot CD.

    You can download the free WinMFS utility (mentioned in previous post) here.
     
  8. Dec 22, 2007 #628 of 10316
    keenanSR

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    254 is the "normal" setting, to run quieter you'd want a lower number, unless I'm reading it wrong. The pdf was too large to upload.

    http://www.hitachigst.com/hdd/support/downloads/FTool_User_Guide_208.pdf
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  9. Dec 22, 2007 #629 of 10316
    bkdtv

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    keenan,

    Thanks, my memory failed me. I edited the previous post to 128 instead of 254.
     
  10. Dec 22, 2007 #630 of 10316
    keenanSR

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    Cool, I'll remove my post, unless you think I should just leave it? Do you have a link to the PDF in the top post?
     
  11. Dec 22, 2007 #631 of 10316
    Aiken

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    Well, I think I know why KS 57 wouldn't do anything. The partition table on the eSATA drive is scrambled, probably along with other parts of the drive. It's hard to do a filesystem check/cleanup if you don't know where it is. The internal drive appears to be completely devoid of errors.

    For now, I'm just doing a dd_rescue of the internal drive to a 1TB hitachi, which I'll also expand to use the entire space. (Looks like I didn't actually need to rescue, but whatever.) When I reboot with it, I'll let that drive divorce itself from the mising eSATA drive, and I'll just have a 1TB internal drive with my pre-eSATA shows on it. I can probably get the season of Journeyman, Weeds, Doctor Who, and BSG again at some point. Not sure what else I lost, but hey, it's TV and I can probably get the rest again some time, too.

    Some day I'll see if I can get a binary dump of a good partition table for a My DVR Expander so I can fix mine and see if I can get the two original drives remarried. Then I can get whatever I'm losing back, but for now this will do.

    Still no idea what was at fault... bad cable, bad cooling, bad drive, bad eSATA adapter in the enclosure, bad power, software glitch or memory corruption in their linux (e)SATA driver, I dunno. All I know is that it was the eSATA drive that died and I ain't going eSATA again, just in case. Oh well.

    (Edit: seems to have worked, the rescue+divorce+expand, but I'm not sure if my swap space will be big enough. Hm. Lost every recording since the marriage--no surprise there, alas.)
     
  12. Dec 23, 2007 #632 of 10316
    bkdtv

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    Thanks.

    I added the information on AAM to Section III, FAQ #29 (the last question).
     
  13. Dec 24, 2007 #633 of 10316
    Aiken

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    Handy tip for anyone else who ends up having to divorce a dead eSATA drive:

    Any recordings *created* in the last two weeks will be listed in the recording history as being lost when the external drive was removed. Helps one figure out what's gone and what to try to get back, at least in a limited fashion. Alas, anything lost that was more than 14 days old is not noted.
     
  14. Dec 24, 2007 #634 of 10316
    c3

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    2TB eSATA RAID for $490: Cavalry CADA002SA2 at buy.com. Two 1TB drives, probably WD10EACS. No personal experience with it. Price seems too good to be true.
     
  15. Dec 26, 2007 #635 of 10316
    jlib

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    But wait! It gets even better: $479.99
     
  16. Dec 27, 2007 #636 of 10316
    syd81

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    Hi -- I'm new here. Just got a S3...

    I have a simple question (I think). Does any esata drive work? Does it have to be a DVR extender?
     
  17. Dec 27, 2007 #637 of 10316
    richsadams

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    Welcome to the forum. :up:

    The short answer to your first question is no, not all eSATA drives will work with TiVo Series3's and no you do not have to use the TiVo approved WD My DVR Expander. That said, it's not simple, but not too comlicated either as there are a number of options you can use.

    To fully understand what expansion drives will and won't work with your new Series3 it is strongly suggested that you read the first post on this thread. It should answer all of the questions you'll have. If you don't understand the information, don't be afraid to ask however.
     
  18. Dec 28, 2007 #638 of 10316
    craigo

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    I'm getting the same problem. I just installed the DVR Expander and now all the audio/video of the recorded shows skip about 3-5 seconds every minute or so.
     
  19. Dec 28, 2007 #639 of 10316
    richsadams

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    Best Buy has the Antec MX-1 enclosure on sale for $47.99. Not a great price, but better than their normally outrageous price of $75! :eek: and you might find it in your local store rather than having to pay shipping from someone or somewhere else.
     
  20. Dec 28, 2007 #640 of 10316
    garberfc

    garberfc TiVo'ing since '00

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    Here it is for $27.49
     

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