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Drive Expansion and Drive Upgrade FAQ

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by bkdtv, Oct 19, 2007.

  1. Aug 24, 2010 #6341 of 10248
    rgiaquinta

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    richsadams

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    That's sound advice when troubleshooting. :up:
     
  4. Aug 25, 2010 #6344 of 10248
    CharlieC

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    I upgraded my S3 about a year ago and it had been running great with no problems. Recently I've experienced a problem when the TV has been off for a while and the TV is powered up and then I use the TIVO remote to do anything (change channel, hit the repeat button, go backwards, etc.), the screen goes snowy - sometimes with static sound. I thought at first it was the remote, but I switched to a different remote and I experience the same problem. It appears to only happen after the TIVO box has been sitting without instructions from a remote for a while. From the clock on the front of the unit I know the lockup happens as soon as I try to get the TIVO box to do something. If it had been recording a program - that program will still be there when I hard boot and will end at the time of the lockup. I don't have any reboot problems - but need to hardboot when this happens - no TIVO buttons will work.

    Is this a hard drive going bad or something else?

    Thanks
     
  5. Aug 25, 2010 #6345 of 10248
    tpatch

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    I upgraded two Series 3 units today with WD10EARS. I had a little trouble booting from the CD for wdidle3. I found instructions for booting from a USB drive and it worked.

    Mission accomplished. Thanks to this forum for the directions!
     
  6. Aug 25, 2010 #6346 of 10248
    murphjo

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    1TB Western Digital WD10EARS Caviar Green SATA 3Gb/s Hard Drive 64MB IntelliPower 3.5" for $49.99 + tax with free shipping

    $49.99 + applicable tax with code R50$HR37CT$91X
     
  7. Aug 25, 2010 #6347 of 10248
    richsadams

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    A good deal...but where?

    BTW, you won't be able to post a link...the name of the company should do though. TIA!
     
  8. Aug 25, 2010 #6348 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Congrats and enjoy!
     
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  10. Aug 27, 2010 #6350 of 10248
    DanInSeattle

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    Hi folks,

    Last week I upgraded my TiVo HD using the instructions in this thread. It went very smoothly and I want to thank everyone who contributed to the instructions, software and advice. The upgraded internal drive replaces an external WD 500GB Expander, which I’ve had for two years. I wanted to reduce the number of possible failure points, as well as power consumption and heat generated by my setup.

    I decided to spend a little extra to get a WD AV drive, model WD10EVDS, since it’s designed specifically for DVR use. After all, TiVo is a mission critical application! The manufacture date for the drive is 12 July 2010. Since there have been reports here that the reboot problem may no longer be happening, I decided to try installing the drive without running wdidle3. I have done several soft reboots and am happy to report I have not had any problems. In fact, I used to have problems with freezes after soft reboots when using the external expander, so this is an improvement.

    A couple of comments on the upgrade instructions. You might want to put the WD10EVDS back in the list of recommended drives. It may be time to revisit the warnings against using newer WD drives in general. The picture links in the instructions are broken, although I didn’t really need them. I found the instructions to be clear and easy to follow.

    Once again, thanks to everyone who contributes here.
     
  11. Aug 27, 2010 #6351 of 10248
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    Hi all,

    This question is about using the "My DVR Expander" on a Scientific Atlanta SA8300HD DVR. (This is Cox-Phoenix uses for their DVR.)

    Does anybody know if existing shows on such a DVR are wiped out when you add the "My DVR Expander" for the first time?

    Thanks in advance,

    Rob from AZ
     
  12. Aug 27, 2010 #6352 of 10248
    ThAbtO

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    Usually shows are removed when you are removing a Expander not when adding.
     
  13. Aug 27, 2010 #6353 of 10248
    csell

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    About a year or so ago, I upgraded my Tivo HD to a 750GB harddrive using the InstantCake software from dvrupgrade.... Now that I recently added a cablecard and HD, I need more space. I was thinking of just buying a 1TB external but i've read a lot of negative comments about them failing in about a year or so. I don't really know common that is, but its pushing me away from that option and considering just buying a larger (2 TB internal harddrive). Three questions about that:

    1) The last time I did that, I found some nice list of recommended harddrives (ones that people used). It was either on here or on dvrupgrade. Is there an updated list anywhere?

    2) This time around, I would like to copy the content of my existing harddrive to the new one. I recall there being good instructions on how to do this, but I can't find them. I looked on dvrupgrade, but see no reference to that. Anyone know anything about this?

    3) Will doing this affect my current cablecards?

    Thanks
     
  14. Aug 27, 2010 #6354 of 10248
    richsadams

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    That's very valuable information and good news indeed! Thanks for taking the time to try out your drive w/o disabling the Intellipark feature first. :up:

    With respect to the suggestions, they are good ones. You might want to PM the author of the FAQ, bkdtv, and see what he has to say.

    Thanks again and enjoy your "new" TiVo!
     
  15. Aug 29, 2010 #6355 of 10248
    dholzlein

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    Seems like you have your answer. TiVo told you you had a hard drive problem (possibly caused by the original bad TiVo) and you then changed the TiVo, but kept the hard drive with the problem. You then continued to put the bad drive in subsequent TiVos. Rather than getting a 3rd TiVo, you probably should have asked Weaknees to replace the drive.

    Maybe Weaknees will still replace it, or maybe just get a 1T and use WinMFS to do the home grown upgrade.


    Just my $0.02.
     
  16. Aug 29, 2010 #6356 of 10248
    richsadams

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    I agree, the OP should certainly get a replacement drive from Weaknees if he intends to go down that path again. However the OP stopped using the Weaknees drive and began using the TiVo OEM drives in TiVo #'s 3 and 4 but eventually experienced the same problem with TiVo #3. However it appears that TiVo #4 is still working so far (bold is mine)...

    It doesn't seem likely that the Weaknees drive could have caused TiVo #3 to fail after the original drive was reinstalled but I suppose stranger things have happened. That's what leads me to believe that there may be something amiss power-wise that's causing some data corruption as mentioned in my subsequent post.

    If the OP still wants to upgrade he should indeed get a replacement drive from Weaknees or DIY per the first post on this thread and invest in a UPS/Power conditioner.
     
  17. Aug 29, 2010 #6357 of 10248
    dholzlein

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    I did this a while ago (last Sept) and don't know if anyone would care since some people have done the 2T one drive solution, but I just came across the pix and figured I'd post 'em as an FYI. YMMV.

    Do you have a dremel and a dollar; okay maybe five dollars? Then you can put two drives in your TiVo HD.

    As far as WinMFS is concerned, you set the two up as if the second drive would be in an enclosure. Then rather than put it in an enclosure, you sneak it into your TiVo HD case.

    There is space for a second drive in your TiVo HD. There just isn't a bracket for it. That space is immediately adjacent to your original drive. TiVo even helps a little by attaching the original drive at the bottom, thus leaving the holes on the sides available. Some well sized set screws, a SATA power splitter, and a pair of SATA data cables and your all set.

    Attached is my TiVo HD before the add, which had a single 1T WD10EACS. (some cables disconnected already); a SATA power splitter I purchased; and the set screws I made.

    To make the set screws get some appropriate sized thread rod from Home Depot or Lowes (sorry forgot the size). Get a couple of nuts also, even though you don't think you need them. Get out the dremel and a small cut-off wheel. Put a couple of nuts together about 1/2 in from one end of the rod. Using the dremel cut a notch into the end of the rod. The nuts will help absorb and dissipate the high heat this creates. You want a notch deep enough to fit a small screwdriver. When your notch is done and slightly cooled, take the nuts off the notched end. This will be a little tough because what you're doing is straightening out the threads that you inevitably boogered. When happy with the threads, put a nut back on at the very end (to protect your notch) and one or two more gapped a half inch back. Then using the dremel cut off your notched piece of threaded rod. You want it to end up between 3/8 and 1/2 inches long. Cut cleanly because its harded to fix the threads when the rod is so short.

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    dholzlein

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    ... continued from earlier...

    I made 4 of these set screws to ensure that I had 2 that I liked. 2 is what you need. Pick the drive that has the most space available on the underside. Insert one set screw notch first into the center hole. Insert it so that the notched end is flush with the inside of the hole (presuming you can see the inside edge). Insert the second set screw notch first into the hole near the front of the drive. Insert it all the way in so that it is flush with the outside of the drive. you may need your screwdriver on the inside of the hole to do this.

    Take the other drive, line up the center holes and spin the second drive onto the threaded rod. (Make sure you choose the correct side so both drive a facing the same direction.) As you spin the drive on, you may need to manage the set screw to ensure that it remains in both drives. Spin them down as tight as you can while maintaining their physical alignment.

    Then using your screwdriver, drive the second set screw into the second drive. This is a test of your craftsmanship because space is probably tight and if your threads are too bad then you will probably strip out your notch before your screw is set.

    Once your two drives are tightly locked together, you can reinstall the TiVo drive bracket onto the drive pair. Line it up before you start the screws to ensure that you install it onto the right drive. It doesn't matter which drive is on the left or right, but if you put the bracket on wrong then one of te drives will want to jut out of the case rather than into it. Pix attached.

    Continues in one last message...
     

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    dholzlein

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    continued from earlier...

    The drive tray may now be reattached into the TiVo itself.

    The power splitter I used did require a slight modification with a sharp knife to the account for the tivo combo power/data cable. The data portion of the TiVo combo cable is not used because the drive side can't be used because the power splitter is in the way. Disconnect the motherboard side of the data cable and attach a standard SATA data cable attach the other end to your original drive (A). Now disconnect the motherboard side of the ESATA cable; attach a second standard SATA cable to the motherboard and to the second drive (B). Attach power to both drives from your SATA power splitter.

    ... And your done. close it and pray or alternatively test it while open...

    To those of you with power concerns... Drive power requirements have come down such that the two drives I used were only marginally more power than the original one. Most of the power is required for spin up. I don't power cycle my TiVo enough for this to be a concern.

    To those of you with heat concerns... The WD Green drives have been cool. I wouldn't try it with two WD Blacks though.

    Ultimately the proof is in the pudding and I have been running this rig since last September without any issues. (Okay... I have the soft reset issue, but that's unrelated to my mounting. That was a known issue with the EACS drive when I bought it. And I can live with that...)

    Thanks.
    (Lately I've been toying with the idea of that 4T Premier upgrade, but $500 plus the TiVo is kind of steep)
     

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  20. Aug 29, 2010 #6360 of 10248
    richsadams

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    I remember thinking that was very cool when you did that dual-drive upgrade a year ago...has it been that long? :eek: I also remember thinking how similar it was to the same setup I did for my Series1 way back when. (Also all command line work in those days.)

    I also considered it for our TiVo HD but thought it was a little cost prohibitive at the time and settled for 1TB. Now that 2TB drives are hovering around $100 it's back to being worth it again.

    I'm also reminded about how excited I was when the hack to add a 500GB external drive to the Series3 was discovered. $259 for a 500GB drive (on sale) and I didn't blink an eye. How times change. ;)

    BTW, I haven't opened it yet, but I'm looking at my Premiere XL and I could be wrong, but I don't see how two 3.5" drives would fit...but 4TB's is a heck of a goal so I say go for it!
     

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