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Drive Expansion and Drive Upgrade FAQ

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by bkdtv, Oct 19, 2007.

  1. Aug 21, 2010 #6321 of 10306
    MPSAN

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    Funny, I worked with one of those. She said she never watches TV and if it were broken it would be a long time before she even knew. However, when we all went to lunch (and still do all get together) and someone mentions something about a show, she knows just what we are talking about!

    OH, the other people who make me laugh are the ones who admit watching TV but ONLY watch PBS...both radio and TV!
     
  2. Aug 21, 2010 #6322 of 10306
    richsadams

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    But mention something about one of the contestants on a "reality show" and they'll probably swoon. :cool:
     
  3. Aug 21, 2010 #6323 of 10306
    MPSAN

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    Yes, she knew all about American Idol people!

    Also, even when we had the 3 ReplayTV's I used to hear at work that they did not have that much time to watch TV. I gave the now standard answer that we didn't either so when we did have the time we wanted to watch what we wanted. I remember the old days when a dinner banquet was stopped in order to catch the end of Roots! Back then you could not even "tape" anything with a TiVo. :D
     
  4. Aug 21, 2010 #6324 of 10306
    Jasac

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    I'm lost
     
  5. Aug 21, 2010 #6325 of 10306
    MPSAN

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    Sorry, we just got a little Off Topic.
     
  6. Aug 22, 2010 #6326 of 10306
    richsadams

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    Actually...it's almost OT...it's all about upgrading right? Drives, TV viewing...all the same thing isn't it? :D
     
  7. Aug 22, 2010 #6327 of 10306
    rgiaquinta

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    I've installed winmfs and am ready to go with an upgrade, but I'm not sure what drive to buy. A few months ago, I bought a wd3200AVVS from weaknees, but I had problems with the upgrade, so I'm ready to do it on my own with a new drive. I'd really appreciate a drive suggestion, as the early pages of this thread seem a bit outdated.

    Thanks
     
  8. Aug 22, 2010 #6328 of 10306
    aaronwt

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    I had no issues with the hitachi drives and WD green drives I used in my Series 3/TiVoHD boxes. The 1TB Hitachi drives are still going strong in my girlfriends two Series 3 boxes. They've been in there for over three years now. And those were the 5 platter 1TB Hitachi drives.
    I had to buy the 1TB external drives and pull the drive out of it since they were so hard to get the bare drives. And they were four times as much as the 1TB drives cost today.
     
  9. Aug 22, 2010 #6329 of 10306
    VSG

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    You bought something from Weaknees and it didn't work? Hmm? I'm sure they would have helped you on the right track.

    Almost any hard drive will work. The lower rpm ones generate less heat. WD have great drives, that use very little power and have a great record. I just bought a 2tb Seagate that's super quiet yet has a 5 year warranty. My experience with Seagate's has been outstanding. The WD's I use all have had to had the wdidle3.exe intellipark disable needed. That's a 2 min ordeal, unless you have not tried it before, then it can be SUPER frustrating, doe.

    Which model do you own? The 648, 652?
     
  10. Aug 22, 2010 #6330 of 10306
    rgiaquinta

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    I've got the 652.

    I'm not sure how to read your tone regarding weaknees...sarcasm, or straightforward. I sent the upgrade drive back to them for replacement, and they returned me a "new" drive (according to them), but I still had problems. I've had a series of complicated problems with my Tivo HD for 6 months... have been through 3 replacement Tivos, several sets of single and multistream cable cards, and 2 weaknees upgrade drives, and even with methodical troubleshooting, I haven't been able to figure out the problem.
    So... my 3rd replacement Tivo has worked for 3 months straight, and I'm ready to upgrade, but am afraid to put the weaknees upgrade drive in it, because that drive was already installed in a unit that failed. So, I'm looking for the model number of a reliable 1TB drive that you all would recommend.

    btw, I'm not a Tivo basher... I've been a subscriber since for almost a decade, and never had a problem until last December... and I'm still sticking with Tivo because they've earned my loyalty... they've taken care of replacements but I'm getting killed by shipping charges...
     
  11. Aug 22, 2010 #6331 of 10306
    VSG

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    Tell me it has lifetime service, right?
     
  12. Aug 22, 2010 #6332 of 10306
    VSG

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    It sounds like it has problems OTHER than the hard drive...is the unit plugged straight into the wall? What are the symptoms? Do you have cable cards, and a tuning adapter?
     
  13. Aug 23, 2010 #6333 of 10306
    Joe3

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    My error, your are right. It just seems like I had the S3 that long. But that hard drive is still going, knock on wood. :rolleyes:
     
  14. Aug 23, 2010 #6334 of 10306
    rmcurtis

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    Hey, everyone. I just upgraded my stock HD with a WD10EARS drive on Saturday, and it's great! Thanks to everyone who helped with the great tools and instructions. I had no problem with WinMFS or changing the AAM to 128.
    However, wdidle3 gave me lots of trouble, and I finally gave up on that. Now that the drive is in the TiVo, I decided to test our a soft reboot. It hangs on the "Welcome, Powering Up" screen, so I plan to go back and try wdidle3 again someday. For reference, by Tivo is running 11.0h, and the drive manufacture date was 12 Dec 2009. (Kinda old for a just-bought drive from Newegg.com, but that's okay.)

    My efforts to run wdidle3 all failed. I tried the FDOS disk linked in the first post, and I tried Rocko's update with the newer wdidle3, but in both cases after booting from the CD, the keyboard was totally unresponsive. I had found a different boot disk somewhere, but it wasn't able to load some drivers and I didn't even find the wdidle3 executable on the disk. Ah, re-reading the first post now, I see that I didn't try to change the BIOS Settings to EIDE mode from RAID. I'll have to go back and try that sometime.

    Anyway, it's great to have an upgraded drive!
     
  15. Aug 23, 2010 #6335 of 10306
    rgiaquinta

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    1st Unit - December
    My problems started in December 2009, when the Tivo HD (with lifetime subscription) that had worked flawlessly for several years started to have channels that were blacked out occasionally. I switched out the cable card, but then had a reboot problem; it took me several hours of plugging and unpluggin the unit to get past the "powering up" screen. Additionally, my tuners were still blacking out intermittently. So I ordered a replacement/upgrade drive from weaknees. I still experienced the blackout and reboot problems. Then, one tuner stopped working entirely and the other tuner showed the wrong channels on the wrong channel numbers. I switch my multstream card for two single streams, disconnected all cable splitters in my house, and plugged the unit straight into the wall. Still had the problem, so I figured that my troubleshooting pointed to the power supply or board, and I swapped the unit with Tivo for $150.

    2nd Unit - March
    Immediately installed the weaknees drive into my new unit before plugging in. All problems were solved for a few weeks, but then unit started to spontaneously reboot and finally froze on the yellow screen. Tivo found a fatal error on the hard drive (weaknees), and swapped unit out for free. (I removed the weaknees hard drive).

    3rd Unit - April
    Again, I installed the weaknees hard drive before powering up. Unit worked for a month, plugged directly into wall. After a month, I got a blank grey screen. Reboot would cure this, but grey screen would pop up several times that week. I swapped in the original Tivo hard drive, and experienced the same problem. Then the unit started hanging on the "powering up" screen during reboot, so I swapped out with Tivo yet again.

    4th Unit - June
    Before powering up, I got a new multistream cable card from cable company. Left the original hard drive in. So all components in this set up are new and have not been in a machine that failed. Has worked without a glitch for 3 months.

    (I know this situation sounds bizarre, but I kept detailed notes from the beginning as I tried to troubleshoot the problem, so the above information is accurate).

    So.....
    Now I would like to upgrade my capacity, and came to this thread to get suggestions for a reliable hard drive. I still have the weaknees hard drive (320 GB WD3200AVVS, Green Power manufactured 4 August 2009) but I'm afraid to plug it in, since it has been in 3 Tivos that failed.

    Thanks everyone for your help and suggestions. Would love to know if anyone can figure out my problem.
     
  16. Aug 23, 2010 #6336 of 10306
    leighnjo

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    Installed a WD 1 TB DVR Expander. Everything worked as it should until Brighthouse sent a firmware update which screwed up everything; the tuning adapter and the external drive (confirmed by the local bulletinboard). I got an onscreen message that the expansion drive could not by found and that the unit would not function without it. Solution was to restart but same reoccurred after several restarts of the TIVOHD. I finally simply disconnected the external drive using the procedure on the onscreen message. Everything worked but the available space was reduced to the original. Went through a reinstall of the external drive using the procedures on the TIVO website and the external drive reinstalled and the capacity was back to the expanded levels. However, when the system was turned back on, it again didn't recogonize the external drive and stated that the TIVO would not function without it. As stated I restarted TIVO without success and eventually disconnected the external drive using the instructions which were displayed on the screen. I know this is a little disjointed but has anyone else had this experience and how can it be resolved. I seen to be in a loop: can't find external drive so TIVO can't function; restart by removing the TIVO power cord and reinserting not working; having to remove the external drive to restore the TIVO.
     
  17. Aug 24, 2010 #6337 of 10306
    m.s

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    If you have a USB keyboard, you may need to change a BIOS setting. Look for "Legacy USB Support" or "Legacy Keyboard Device" and turn that on. Or, find a PS2 type keyboard, and try that.
     
  18. Aug 24, 2010 #6338 of 10306
    richsadams

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    I'm not entirely clear, but have you properly divorced your external drive and if so does TiVo run normally? It sounds as if it does. If that's the case and all of your connections are secure you should get an RMA for your WD My DVR Expander.

    A cableco firmware update shouldn't have affected your TiVo (other than cable cards or the TA) at all. However a power surge or something of that nature could.

    In any case, if your TiVo is working w/o the expansion drive attached it's obvious that your Expander is not going to work any longer. If it's less than a year old you can get a free replacement from WD.

    BTW, if you don't have your TiVo and your Expander connected to a good UPS (not a surge protector) I'd strongly recommend it.

    Best of luck and let us know how things go.
     
  19. Aug 24, 2010 #6339 of 10306
    richsadams

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    The odds of getting that many defective TiVo's is very remote. My WAG is that you have something causing repeated failures and that something has to do with your power source. Unstable power can cause a number of problems, primarily data corruption, but it can affect any and all of the various pieces of hardware in TiVo.

    As suggested to the other poster, if you haven't already, invest is a good a good UPS, ideally one with a line conditioner and keep TiVo plugged into it. There's a good chance that will resolve future issues. Also be sure all of your connections are secure, your cables and coax are relatively new and that no other high powered sources (amps, receivers, etc.) are directly on or under TiVo. Be sure TiVo is well ventilated as well...heat can cause many problems as well.

    Using TiVo's stock drive as the source and following the FAQ directions carefully you should have no problem upgrading your internal hard drive yourself.

    Best of luck and keep us posted!

    Best
     
  20. Aug 24, 2010 #6340 of 10306
    VSG

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    Ditto Rich! UPS and Temp....

    do a C&DE .....establish a baseline.....confirm....notate....:) then try the expander again...

    It sounds more like the lack of tuning adapter issues I had back in 07....

    I sent 3 tivo's back and I love tivo for helping me out....I hope they stay around for a long time.
     

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